Former Stars Thread

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Jacob Peterson scored for San Jose tonight. I still don’t understand that trade LOL.

[Troy McClure]

Jacob Peterson scored for San Jose tonight. I still don’t understand that trade LOL.

Nill and DeBoer had reached their limit of first and second year players on the roster. It's stupid. He did some cool things last season.

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Jacob Peterson scored for San Jose tonight. I still don’t understand that trade LOL.

Peterson wanted to play at the NHL level and I guess they told him it wasn't going to happen in Dallas, so he asked for a trade and Nill accommodated.

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That's a lot of assuming LOL.

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I am pretty sure Nill confirmed it all in one of Saad's articles.

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That makes me hate the return even more then LOL.

[Troy McClure]

He's an example of a guy who got burned by the strange waiver rules. If he didn't lock himself into a spot in the lineup in camp, he was going to spend the season in the AHL because Nill doesn't let any young guy get exposed to waivers.

He also lost his spot in the lineup to Johnston and Dellandrea because no coach will tolerate having three rookie forwards in the lineup each night.

[SaintAngerBH]

I went to this video to listen to Arnott *poo poo* all over Suter. Then, I found this little gem right after.

This surprises me about Guerin. That era of Stars hockey was the "country club" era and I remember people complaining that they saw Guerin out at the bar partying it up after the Stars lost to Colorado in 2006.

I do remember hearing that Modano hated him but never knew why, though.

[ScubaSteve]

Arnott is a blockhead but his wife Dina was one of the top five player wives to ever roll through town.

[Math]

I went to this video to listen to Arnott *poo poo* all over Suter. Then, I found this little gem right after.

This surprises me about Guerin. That era of Stars hockey was the "country club" era and I remember people complaining that they saw Guerin out at the bar partying it up after the Stars lost to Colorado in 2006.

I do remember hearing that Modano hated him but never knew why, though.

Yeah, Arnott basically said out loud what most of Suter's teammates think of him. And having a team burning $7M a year to not have him around anymore tells a lot about what kind of locker room mold he was. Yet, the Stars still inked him and gave him one of the most terrible contract in franchise history.

About Guerin and Modano, I hope they solved their *poo poo* as they both work in the same organization.

[Troy McClure]

I wonder if Suter isn't quite the dominant asshole figure after being bought out. In Minnesota, he and Parise were the highest paid guys. Both were also instantly made alternate captains and kept those A's their whole time. Even in his last season when they were tired of his *poo poo*, he was still their ice time leader.

In Dallas, he's paid well but not among the leaders. His role is firmly as a second pair guy. Even with the Stars letting 28% of the regular skaters wear the C or A, Suter isn't among them.

[Math]

Maybe Nill and the front office message to Suter when signing him was some sort of "Ok buddy, you got a very fair deal but you're not a top PP guy anymore, don't expect to play 29 minutes per game, don't extend your shifts, no whining and bitching and do not *f-bomb* up this locker room. You know who the core is." At least I hope so.

Lots of insiders in various level in Minny had the same exact portrait of the situation about country club culture (in the bad side of it) in this team when Fletcher and yes-guy Yeo were in charge, suggesting that Suter, Parisé were running the show, the team, while implementing a toxic culture. All the people around the franchise celebrated the buyouts and the Fletcher departure like if they had won the Stanley Cup (and Fletcher then went to Philly and it took him only 2-3 years to destroy everything in this organization). I truly believe that Arnott's rant is only the emerged part of the iceberg.

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Saad had a good point:

https://theathletic.com/4374685/2023/04 ... cup-suter/

There are elements of this that I personally can’t wrap my head around. If Suter is somebody who is viewed as reliable, that’s fine, but why is his role elevated to the extent that it is?

Multiple times this season, DeBoer has essentially said, in nicer words, that Suter is getting old and doesn’t have what he once did. Why then, is he playing similar minutes and roles? The Stars will be quick to point out Suter has his lowest average time on ice this season since his second year in 2006-07, when he was 22 years old, but he’s still second on the Stars in total time on ice and five-on-five time on ice this season, behind only Heiskanen. He’s still been a consistent presence quarterbacking the second power-play unit, despite being inefficient in that role.

But Saad also notes later on it's a depth thing and there isn't really a good alternative. Saad also noted he's well-respected in the locker room, for whatever that's worth.

[Troy McClure]

That's how I see it. It's easy to be mad at Suter because giving him four years with a full NMC was bad. His declined skating causes him to be the guy responsible for too many scoring chances. But it's not like he was taking away ice time from anyone clearly better.

[ToddM]

I'm old enough to remember when Minnesota signed both Suter and Parise and were talking about winning multiple Cups.

I'm not going to look it up, but had Suter ever been better than average when he wasn't paired with Shea Weber?

[Math]

I remember him finishing once to a League-leading +34 in differential, and going past the first round approximately twice. But I don't don't recall his usual Dman partner at that time.

Otherwise, we're talking about Suter on the Former Stars thread lol.

[B Kat]

Gurianov won't be participating in Pride warm ups tonight. Family safety.

Montreal Canadiens forward Denis Gurianov has opted not to wear the themed warmup jersey for Pride night on Thursday due to family reasons.

As a result, he will not partake in the pre-game skate ahead of a matchup against the Washington Capitals, the team announced.

Head coach Martin St. Louis said Thursday morning it was hard to comment on Gurianov's decision because he'd never walked a day in the Russian winger's shoes.

"I think anybody can say you'd always try to protect your family, so I have a tough time judging that," said St. Louis. "(Gurianov) is a great kid, it's tough."

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/montreal-canadie ... -1.1941913

[The Frugal Gourmet]

Somehow I never realized until I clicked that article that Pride Night raises money for organizations that teach gender identity to elementary schoolers.

Guess I'm against Pride Night now.

[ScubaSteve]

I wonder how it will go when the Russians refuse to wear the US military appreciation jerseys due to safety fears.

[The Frugal Gourmet]

I think it would be safe. The US military only directly fights very poor people. And even then still loses.

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Nations that have lost wars to Vietnamese fishermen - USA, #1!! USA, #1!!!

[ToddM]

Someone needs to sit him down and explain what "tanking" is.

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Harumph.

[Jason]

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[ToddM]

Lost in the wild result, but Jack Campbell came on in relief in a 0-3 near-elimination game and stopped 27 of 28 for the Oilers. We'll see if this creates enough goalie controversy for him to start the next one.

[ScubaSteve]

So do we think the Val and Robo disappearances are related? When does the Unsolved Mysteries episode air?

[Knives Out]

*Dang all Get out*.

[Troy McClure]

This feels like the third big injury he's had in recent years.