2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

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Postby ScubaSteve » Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:52 pm

I don’t know.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:06 pm

Moving this:

Troy McClure wrote:
slaps wrote:Although, if the Stars end up being good for a while, how much does Benn's contract really matter? Obviously, top-line dollars for third-line production is bad, but so far, I can't think of a single player that Benn "cost us" by having that contract. Perhaps it gets worse in a few years, but aside from Hintz and Heiskanen, the Stars don't have any big upcoming contracts.

Any team can survive and compete with one horrible contract. That's not a big deal, but any way you look at Benn, it's already horrible. He's on pace for 18 goals and 40 points. His ice time is the lowest since his rookie season. He's even dropped down the PP depth chart to be 4th among forwards in PP time. It's not even like he was a victim of a slow start. He's been even colder in his last 15-20 games than he was earlier in the season.

But that's one contract. One bad contract.

If you add to it with more... if Radulov continues to slide (he needed a nine game point streak to get his points per game numbers up to second worst in his NHL career), if Pavelski remains a guy who once a month has people talking about the old Pavelksi, if Seguin struggles to even reach a point a game going forward (currently on pace for 64 points)... this team could look a whole lot like the Kings do now with nothing to show for it.

It sucks because there also isn't much of an alternative. Yeah, they could let the big names walk as free agents or try to trade them for peanuts, but then you depend on the draft to try to fill in the space vacated by those big names. And the draft can be where dreams go to die.

To the Stars thread.

I don't think the Stars end up like the Kings or Sharks, mainly due to contract structure. Comeau and Cogliano are off the books in two seasons (when Heiskanen needs a new deal), and Pavelski and Radulov the season after that. Radulov has been a terrific signing, even if he declines some going forward.

The only guys signed past 2021-22 are Benn, Seguin, and Bishop. Granted, the Stars have virtually no one in the system to replace any big names that walk, but they at least have flexibility set up pretty much every year.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:08 pm

My worry is that they look that bad in 2022 when those four bigger forward contracts are paying three guys who may not be contributing much at all.
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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:51 pm

Luckily we will have multiple Cups by then to enjoy.

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Postby Knives Out » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:49 pm

Don’t look now but we are battling the Islanders again for the Jennings. After 42 games they’ve allowed 108 goals and we’ve let in 104.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:35 pm

For some reason, the stupid low number makes me laugh:

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Math » Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:45 am

Maybe they had some discounts or coupons at some places. But I plea for the status quo: neither sellers nor buyers. Don't move, remain still.

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:29 am

They need a second-pair defenseman who can move the puck better. The answer to that need is Johns, but who knows what, if anything, will happen with him.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:07 am

Wait. Like they literally only have 815 dollars?

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby BigAl » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:02 am

I don’t think Johns is coming back. Even if he was healthy I’m not sure he could elevate his game to the 2nd pair.
When he was healthy he was mostly playing on the 3rd pair, behind Polak.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:37 am

SaintAngerBH wrote:Wait. Like they literally only have 815 dollars?

That's my read of the tweet.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Math » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:50 am

According to CapFriendly, the $815 is the projected cap space. The real space considering the LTIR and other stuff is $3,125,000.

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:53 am

BigAl wrote:I don’t think Johns is coming back. Even if he was healthy I’m not sure he could elevate his game to the 2nd pair.
When he was healthy he was mostly playing on the 3rd pair, behind Polak.
I don’t see him overcoming a season and a half of absence to suddenly be a contributor.

Also our defense is highly adequate at not giving up goals already and we have a lot of defensemen.

Too bad, though, because if played again he might build up some trade value. I thought he was all right.

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:57 am

Johns wasn’t very good even when he was healthy. He was regularly scratched in favor of Jordie. People liked him because he seemed to slot in as “not another prissy Euro” but “more mobile than Polak types,” but really the talent we were promised in the Patrick Sharp trade just wasn’t there.
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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:58 am

Math wrote:According to CapFriendly, the $815 is the projected cap space. The real space considering the LTIR and other stuff is $3,125,000.

Sweet. Who can we land for $815?

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:04 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:Johns wasn’t very good even when he was healthy. He was regularly scratched in favor of Jordie. People liked him because he seemed to slot in as “not another prissy Euro” but “more mobile than Polak types,” but really the talent we were promised in the Patrick Sharp trade just wasn’t there.

He played 75 games during his last season and scored 8 goals. Clearly he wasn't scratched "regularly".

I would actually be curious to see how would play under a team that backchecks and doesn't constantly hemorrhage goals against.

He lost a lot of time though. Possibly too much.

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:07 pm

Timely:

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby BigAl » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:13 pm

Like I was saying, I definitely don’t think Johns is done.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:43 pm

The Frugal Gourmet wrote:
ScubaSteve wrote:Johns wasn’t very good even when he was healthy. He was regularly scratched in favor of Jordie. People liked him because he seemed to slot in as “not another prissy Euro” but “more mobile than Polak types,” but really the talent we were promised in the Patrick Sharp trade just wasn’t there.

He played 75 games during his last season and scored 8 goals. Clearly he wasn't scratched "regularly".

I would actually be curious to see how would play under a team that backchecks and doesn't constantly hemorrhage goals against.

He lost a lot of time though. Possibly too much.

That last season of his was his best where he was playing the most as well in a bigger role. It made him a very late bloomer to need that long to get to #4 minutes, but it is hard to think he can go from not working out at all for quite a while to not playing at all for a long time to step right in as a second pair guy in the NHL.

For his sake, I hope he can jump in and play the way he wants to play without hesitation or fear.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Math » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:53 pm

Almost two years without playing pro hockey, it's hell of a long time. If he's to consider be back in the roster, they will probably send him in the AHL for a while for conditioning. In another extreme, Habs broadcaster were tremendously shocked to see Julien play Kovalchuk in back-to-back games with almost 20 minutes TOI just because he hasn't played for the last two months.

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:55 pm

Johns is good. Maybe he's the answer - it's certainly worth trying. He has skill and he's a big guy. His usage was more due to coaching decisions than on-ice performance.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby BigAl » Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:03 pm

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:47 am

Lindell is basically Mattias Norstrom 2.0, just younger. I don't think he's ever going to win any awards, but he's just so good.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:52 am

https://theathletic.com/1517735/2020/01/09/stars-20-20-another-comeback-another-win-and-the-nhls-best-team-for-three-months-roles-on/

20. The Stars have a .750 point percentage since the day they were 1-7-1. Over the past three months, they have been the NHL’s best team.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby B Kat » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:53 am

Decided to check on Stephen Johns’ first AHL game. The TO Marlies forfeit the game because one of their coaches had a medical emergency. Does that count as one of his 3 games?

https://www.nhl.com/news/toronto-marlie ... -313776680

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:59 am

The AHL puts it on the books as a 1-0 win. Who gets the goal? Does the goalie get a zero save shutout?

My guess is the NHL won't count it as a game played. I'm kinda glad this game was cancelled. The idea of throwing John's back into pro hockey on a back to back seemed like a pretty bold test to me.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:07 pm

That's strange. In the NHL, an assistant would have just taken over right?

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:33 pm

I think it was more about the players being shaken up and not wanting to play.
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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Math » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:39 pm

Rich Peverley case-law

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Re: 2019-2020 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby B Kat » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:53 pm

Johns with a goal and an assist. End of the second.

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