2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby BigAl » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:21 pm

Slower than Cracknell?
Could of.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby ToddM » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:34 pm

I think a footrace with Craig Ludwig is in order.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby ScubaSteve » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:37 pm

Are we talking 2019 Spezza slow?
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby slaps » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:47 pm

https://theathletic.com/1209596/2019/09 ... las-stars/

Spoiler - he thinks the team is overly optimistic.

Last season the Stars were one game away from winning the Stanley Cup. That’s the way the team sees it anyway as Dallas took the eventual champions to overtime in Game 7 in the second round. This team expects to be playing June hockey in 2020.

I’m hesitant to go that far. While there’s clear separation between the remaining teams and the rest of the league, Dallas comes in at the bottom of that list. Dark horse? Definitely. Legitimate contender? Not right now.


He has a 72% chance we make the playoffs, and a less than 50% chance of going past the first round. As always (at least over the past 15 years or so), it's a drafting and development issue:

Dallas will need to make a few moves between now and April to get the team into shape, because as the Stars currently stand, barring a major breakout, they don’t have enough depth to go toe-to-toe with some of the league’s elite teams.


Can't have depth if you don't draft well.

Depth, depth, depth. It’s repeated ad nauseam in almost every team’s preview, but as you’ll see soon with many of the top 10 teams it makes a big difference. It’s what separates teams like Dallas from teams like Tampa Bay. At this point, every team ahead of the Stars has high-end talent as strong as them or close to it and what separates the two is the supporting cast. The top tier guys are strong enough to get Dallas close to the top 10, but it’s the rest that holds the team back from being anything more than that.


The whole article is worth the read. He shits all over the depth scoring, calling it a "stunning number of players scoring at a fourth line rate or worse."

While the rest of the team struggled to score, this trio obviously didn’t with all three hovering around the 30-goal mark. It’s a lonely world up front when only one other forward, Faksa, scored more than 10 goals last season for the Stars, which truly highlights the team’s issues. The average NHL team had more than twice as many last year. I mean, that’s almost unfathomably bad and it’s hard to believe a team that thin up front not only made the playoffs but managed to win seven games.

That figure wasn’t just low for last year – it was historically low. Since 2007-08, only two other teams have had just four forwards chip in 10 goals or more in a season. One of them was the abstractly awful 2013-14 Buffalo Sabres team that was actively losing games on purpose. The other? The 2011-12 Stanley Cup champion Los Angeles Kings. Go figure.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby slaps » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:56 pm

Oh, and he hates Polak.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:11 pm

He's not wrong. Adding Upshall to the mix probably won't help.

I agree that it is delusional to spin last year into us being one goal away from the finals. Even if Benn had put that puck in, our best players were gassed at that point and I suspect we would have been swept by the Sharks in round 3.

I bet we lose in the 2nd round again this year.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby ScubaSteve » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:15 pm

Don’t need a subscription article to tell us what’s obvious. They overachieved last season. To assume they’re going to take another step even beyond that this year is foolish.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby B Kat » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:35 pm

slaps wrote:Oh, and he hates Polak.

Also Lindell. "He's gonna die on that hill."

I hope Lindell pushes him off.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby Troy McClure » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:42 pm

B Kat wrote:
slaps wrote:Oh, and he hates Polak.

Also Lindell. "He's gonna die on that hill."

I hope Lindell pushes him off.

It's because too many of these analytics dudes act as though the game is only ever played at even strength.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby ToddM » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:51 pm

Lindell isn't liked by the advanced stats crowd because he's not good at things that crowd loves (like getting the puck out, either via skating (nope!) or passing (also nope)) and he does things that they actively hate (like leading the league in icing calls). And while that's technically true... he still passes both the Eyeball and Mensch Tests for a d-man. He shuts guys down, prevents shots from ever being made, closes gaps at the blue line, breaks up 2-on-1s, etc etc.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:08 pm

ToddM wrote:Lindell isn't liked by the advanced stats crowd because he's not good at things that crowd loves (like getting the puck out, either via skating (nope!) or passing (also nope)) and he does things that they actively hate (like leading the league in icing calls). And while that's technically true... he still passes both the Eyeball and Mensch Tests for a d-man. He shuts guys down, prevents shots from ever being made, closes gaps at the blue line, breaks up 2-on-1s, etc etc.

He also devours PK time where being good at icing actually works just fine.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby ScubaSteve » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:18 pm

Didn’t we have a defenseman who led the league in icings a few years back?
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:21 pm

Hard to say. Dark period of my life. I was hooked on horse tranquilizers most of that time.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby B Kat » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:49 pm

Looks like the TC lineup tonight. :)

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:44 pm

At least there is something to watch finally.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:15 pm

It still hurts seeing Hartman in a different sweater...
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:23 pm

Upshall can't keep up.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby Troy McClure » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:44 pm

Hintz goes in by himself to create a chance and score. He still looks good. He's aggressive with the puck.

No one else at forward is doing much of anything.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby BigAl » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:44 pm

Hintz makes it look easy.
Could of.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby ToddM » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:59 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:It still hurts seeing Hartman in a different sweater...


I'll be there for his Tribute Night.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:19 pm

Noesen doesn't look good at all.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby BigAl » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:21 pm

Felhaber should be thankful that Hartman got bored from punching him.
Could of.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby Math » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:24 pm

In the Gamecenter description on the NHL website, Upshall is mentioned with the #9.

I thought during one second that Modano's number was unretired just for that game.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:27 pm

Who?
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby Math » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:52 pm

Some guy who got lost in Arizona like two, three years ago.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:06 pm

Sounds like a mouth breather.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby SaintAngerBH » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:25 am

I expect Upshall to be cut quickly. Perhaps Noesen too. Both looked slow and unable to keep up last night.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby Troy McClure » Wed Sep 18, 2019 9:54 am

Sekera looked good. Not great or anything, but if that's what he'll bring most nights, he's a good addition. He moves the puck well and seems to be a safe place for Heiskanen to pass to when opponents are forechecking.
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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby BigAl » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:11 am

Yeah, I thought he looked ok. Better than Fedun.
Heatherington made a few sharp looking outlet passes but also blew some coverages.

I kept hoping some of our forward prospects would do something other than look completely generic. But no.
Could of.

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Re: 2019 Stars Training Camp & Preseason

Postby Troy McClure » Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:13 am

BigAl wrote:I kept hoping some of our forward prospects would do something other than look completely generic. But no.

Yeah, it was Hintz looking like we hoped he'd look and a bunch of dudes.
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