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2019 NHL Draft

Postby slaps » Tue May 14, 2019 4:09 pm

Here's a 2008 hot take that didn't age well.

http://slam.canoe.com/Slam/Columnists/Brennan/2008/06/21/5947311-sun.html

As far as making a splash, Bryan Murray tossed a pebble into the lake that was Round 1 of the NHL draft last night. Not to be outdone by his wheeling-and-dealing counterparts, the Senators GM traded up three steps so he could take ... Erik Karlsson?

"Nice way to show your thanks to the fans for their support," said Brian Samuel, a regular ticket-buying customer at Scotiabank Place who was sitting in Level 2 wearing a Senators jersey and surrounded by his buddies in Leafs and Blackhawks colours.

"That's a garbage pick. They could have had him in the second round."

Thing is, we really don't know how good Karlsson can and will be. The 43rd player ever drafted into the NHL from the Frolunda hockey team in Sweden, he is advertised as a great skating defenceman with a big shot.

But he's also tiny, listed at 5-foot-10 and 157 lbs.

"I like big strong guys," said Murray, noting Karlsson has some work to do in the gym. "But I also like high-end skilled people."

Karlsson won't play in the NHL for a year or two or three, if he ever does. Real tough to get excited about him now.


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Postby ToddM » Tue May 14, 2019 4:16 pm

GMs and scouts seem to have a real hard-on for size.

I member back in the days when I used to religiously read HockeysFuture, everyone who was 6-foot "had good size," and everyone who was 5-11 was "undersized."

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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby BigAl » Tue May 14, 2019 4:55 pm

I blame hockeysfuture for creating a generation of fans with unrealistic expectations for draft picks.
It seemed like nearly every pick was projected to be a 2nd or 3rd line player.
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Postby slaps » Tue May 14, 2019 5:04 pm

ToddM wrote:GMs and scouts seem to have a real hard-on for size.

I member back in the days when I used to religiously read HockeysFuture, everyone who was 6-foot "had good size," and everyone who was 5-11 was "undersized."



To a degree, it matters. If you're Honka playing against Parayko, that's going to be a sizable disadvantage. Some of the smaller guys have the skills and the skating ability to make it a non-factor though, like Debrincat. I think its a legitimate consideration, but if you pass on a guy who scores at will because of size, then it's something that should be re-evaluated.

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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby slaps » Tue May 21, 2019 2:26 pm

Stars pick 18th.

https://theathletic.com/970746/2019/05/21/pronmans-2019-nhl-draft-board-top-107-prospects/

I will grade tools on the 20-80 scale. In this scale, 50 projects as pro average, 55 as above-average, 60 top third, 70 as elite and 80 as among the very best, 45 is below-average and 40 is fringe pro quality. I will have grades on skating, puck skills, physicality and hockey sense for every player. I will grade their shot if it is notably good or poor.

Talent typically wins out in my rankings. Skill and hockey sense are the attributes I value the most. I think skating is slightly more important for forwards, and physicality more important for defenders. For tiebreaking, I tend to prefer forwards to defensemen, and centers to wingers. I also value success in pro leagues as a tiebreaker.


Very Good NHL Prospect/First-Round Pick


17. Philip Tomasino, C, Niagara-OHL
July 28, 2001 | six-foot | 181 pounds

Skating: 60
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 45
Hockey Sense: 60

Tomasino is a very talented forward who started the season down the lineup but worked his way into a decent role on a top OHL team. He’s got all the tools to succeed in the modern day NHL. He’s a very fast skater with high-end puck skills and the vision to make difficult plays. His pace is good but I wish he used his high-end speed a bit more. Tomasino is a threat off the rush due to how quickly his feet and hands move, and when you think of “playing fast,” he’s a guy who is built to do that. He looks to make plays, often finding tight lanes, and he has the creativity to make unique passes. Tomasino has a slight build and isn’t the best at winning 1-on-1 battles in the tough areas. He can at times get pushed around and out of the game, and other times he’ll drive the tough areas. He’ll need to work on the consistency of his play and making the most of his tools, but he’s got the ability to impact a shift like few in this class do.

Niagara IceDogs coach Billy Burke on Tomasino: “His speed and his skating stand out. He’s fast from the start of his shift to the end of his shift. He’s able to find his teammates and make plays while he’s going fast. He’s developing into a dynamic playmaker.

18. Nils Hoglander, LW, Rogle-SHL
Dec. 20, 2000 | 5-foot-9 | 185 pounds

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 70
Physical Game: 35
Hockey Sense: 60

Hoglander had a quality first season in the SHL as a top-nine forward for Rogle who showed his high-skill game can translate versus men. Hoglander has the best hands in the draft. When he has the puck on his stick, he’s trying to make a skilled play. His puck handling is lightning quick and he often leaves defenders in a knot with how he dangles while in stride. He’s not a selfish dangler, though, as he’s a great passer and looks for his teammates constantly. He’s not a typical playmaker you see run a power play and hang around the half-wall hitting seam passes. He’s always in motion and makes creative feeds. Hoglander isn’t the biggest forward at 5-foot-9, but he plays with a lot of energy and engages well. He’s got a bit of an edge to his game, too. He’s a decent skater, more elusive than a burner with very good edges, but he can turn a corner when he needs to. I wish he had more of a dangerous top gear because versus men he got eliminated along walls quite often on zone entries.

Rogle manager Chris Abbott on Hoglander: “His skill is high-end, his small area play is high-end. He’s hard, strong, he fends off pressure very well. We have the puck when he’s on the ice.”

19. Patrik Puistola, LW, Taapara-Liiga
Jan. 11, 2001 | six foot | 174 pounds

Skating: 50
Puck Skills: 65
Physical Game: 45
Hockey Sense: 60

I saw Puistola two years ago at the U17s in British Columbia and was very impressed by his skill, identifying him as a possible second/third-round prospect. Since then he’s continued to do nothing but impress at the junior and pro levels. He’s one of the best puck handlers in the draft. As a 17-year-old he made pro defenders look foolish, and he has the high level of creativity to try to make tough plays every game. He’s a good passer, but I wouldn’t call him the type who tries to find seams off the flank. Rather he relies on his creativity to find options the defense isn’t expecting and plays well in small spaces. Puistola has a good shot, too; but despite his high goal totals this season, I wouldn’t call him a sniper. He created goals with his skill and compete level. He got to the net and showed he can be a decent penalty killer. My main issue with his game is his skating. It’s not bad and he has some speed, but his stride is inefficient and can break down at times.

NHL scout on Puistola: “He’s highly skilled. He competes hard and isn’t afraid to get inside. He’s not slow, but there is a lack of quickness in his game.”

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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby ToddM » Tue May 21, 2019 2:39 pm

I'm down with Hoglander. Mostly because of the name.

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Postby slaps » Tue May 21, 2019 2:47 pm

There are a lot of "smoked the hog" jokes in there.

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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby wonko80 » Tue May 21, 2019 2:52 pm

There can oinkly be one

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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Tue May 21, 2019 3:09 pm

I’m on board with Puistola. And his physical game is exactly 10 more than Hoglander.

You may think he’s a total Puistola. But that is not the case.

Also I move that the scale be changed from 100 to 20. Mainly because that is the actual scale.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue May 21, 2019 3:27 pm

ToddM wrote:I'm down with Hoglander. Mostly because of the name.

Same here. Don’t need to see anything else.
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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Tue May 21, 2019 3:29 pm

How can you go with someone who is a net total of 5 less than Puistola? Sheer madness.

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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby 5minmajor » Tue May 21, 2019 5:55 pm

Why grade 20-80? Why not 0-60? Seems unnecessarily moronic.
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Postby slaps » Tue May 21, 2019 6:11 pm

5minmajor wrote:Why grade 20-80? Why not 0-60? Seems unnecessarily moronic.


He explained it in another article. It made some vague sort of sense, but a 1-100 scale still seemed simpler.

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Postby mookie1010 » Tue May 21, 2019 8:17 pm

You get 20 for breathing.
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Postby Troy McClure » Tue May 21, 2019 10:44 pm

The Frugal Gourmet wrote:How can you go with someone who is a net total of 5 less than Puistola? Sheer madness.

Its all about exchange rates. The Swedish krona is worth more than the Finnish metalbuck.
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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby ToddM » Wed May 22, 2019 10:55 am

There's a chance this guy might drop to us at 18:

https://theathletic.com/863946/2019/03/ ... r-kaliyev/

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Postby slaps » Wed May 22, 2019 11:13 am

ToddM wrote:There's a chance this guy might drop to us at 18:

https://theathletic.com/863946/2019/03/ ... r-kaliyev/



Very few of his goals are of the spectacular variety. That doesn’t mean they required no skill, scoring is a skill, and Kaliyev did hit the highlight reel. But a lot of Kaliyev’s scoring was from finishing off a play


We'd be in the Cup Finals if we could have finished off even 2 or 3 more chances. Sold.

Oh wait:

What immediately stands out about Kaliyev is not his shot, which you would think would be the selling point for a 50-goal scorer. Rather, his hockey sense stands out as his best trait


So he possesses the one thing you can't really teach? He can be taught to skate better, be better positionally, and to help cover some of the flaws in his game. He can't be taught to think the game at an elite level, which is what we saw with Heiskanen this year.

Even more sold.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed May 22, 2019 11:18 am

ToddM wrote:There's a chance this guy might drop to us at 18:

https://theathletic.com/863946/2019/03/ ... r-kaliyev/

The article says the last guy before this one to score 50 goals in the OHL was Alex DeBrincat. It's worth noting DeBrincat is 21 and just finished his second full season in the NHL where he scored 41 goals this season. He also jumped right from juniors to the NHL, as seems to be the case far more often than not with big time goal scorers.

I just have to point that out again because the high end goal scorers don't percolate in the AHL for multiple seasons. Something to keep in mind when watching prospects develop (or more to the point not develop).

For the dude in the article, the first and last pass clips included are wonderful.
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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby wonko80 » Wed May 22, 2019 12:13 pm

What's his character rating? If it's not high the Stars will pass.

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Postby ToddM » Wed May 22, 2019 12:31 pm

His GoodCanadianBoy/60 is extremely low, as it seems he's not much of a backchecker or physical player. Which is why he might drop to us.

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Postby slaps » Wed May 22, 2019 1:08 pm

What's his Babcock-approvedGrit&Jam percentage?

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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Wed May 22, 2019 6:57 pm

I’m sure talent plays a big factor, but yes you can teach hockey sense. Its not some intrinsic thing babies are born with.

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Postby ScubaSteve » Wed May 22, 2019 7:00 pm

Are we even going to have that pick? Don’t you guys want to re-sign Zuc?
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Postby BigAl » Wed May 22, 2019 7:02 pm

I thought we lost 2020’s puck if we sign him and lose this year’s pick if we made it to conference finals.
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Postby ScubaSteve » Wed May 22, 2019 7:09 pm

I don’t know.
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Postby Troy McClure » Wed May 22, 2019 7:11 pm

BigAl wrote:I thought we lost 2020’s puck if we sign him and lose this year’s pick if we made it to conference finals.

Correct.
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Postby slaps » Wed May 22, 2019 8:14 pm

The Frugal Gourmet wrote:I’m sure talent plays a big factor, but yes you can teach hockey sense. Its not some intrinsic thing babies are born with.


You can help it along, but there’s no amount of teaching that’s going to replace the vision a guy like Heiskanen or Seguin innately has.

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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby BigAl » Wed May 22, 2019 8:15 pm

I’d rather have the pick. That 1st round pick could be anything, even a Zuccarello. You know how much we’ve always wanted one of those.
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Re: 2019 NHL Draft

Postby 5minmajor » Wed May 22, 2019 11:40 pm

The Frugal Gourmet wrote:I’m sure talent plays a big factor, but yes you can teach hockey sense. Its not some intrinsic thing babies are born with.

Don Cherry says all Canadian kids are born with it.
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