5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby mookie1010 » Sun May 05, 2019 4:54 pm

He's saying they got it wrong...
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby Getsmacked123 » Sun May 05, 2019 4:54 pm

Just gotta win one game at their house. Sounds simple.

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun May 05, 2019 4:55 pm

mookie1010 wrote:He's saying they got it wrong...

Interesting. Well, it's too late now.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun May 05, 2019 4:55 pm

Dallas looked sluggish the whole game to me anyway. I was expecting them to lose even before that goal.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby Knives Out » Sun May 05, 2019 5:05 pm

Getsmacked123 wrote:Just gotta win one game at their house. Sounds simple.

In hindsight, winning three in a row was a bit much to ask. But winning one? We can do that.

Again, I take solace in the fact that Bishop’s stats the very next game after shitting the bed remain sparkling.

They eliminated us in 7 on home ice the last time around, it’s only fair that we repay the favour.

The math and percentages are still on our side.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby Troy McClure » Sun May 05, 2019 5:08 pm

What are Bishop's numbers when his backup has to play game seven for him?
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby B Kat » Sun May 05, 2019 5:08 pm

Ice was awful again, which didn’t help, but the Stars didn’t help themselves much either. This wasn’t even the Blues best game.

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby Getsmacked123 » Sun May 05, 2019 5:09 pm

I agree Knives, as angry I was at that bs, stars gotta play stars hockey and big Ben gotta be that big Ben.

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby Knives Out » Sun May 05, 2019 5:10 pm

Troy McClure wrote:What are Bishop's numbers when his backup has to play game seven for him?

Technically a shutout.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby B Kat » Sun May 05, 2019 5:11 pm

If he even plays.

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby Knives Out » Sun May 05, 2019 5:44 pm

:joke
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun May 05, 2019 5:57 pm

It's cool either way. I didn't even expect the Stars to be in the playoffs. Losing in the second round in 7 games this time would feel like success. It didn't in 2016 because we were the top seed.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby mookie1010 » Sun May 05, 2019 5:58 pm

Man. I hate St. Louis sports and their teams. All 2 of them. They game 6’d the Rangers in '11 and it was one of the lowest moments in my sports life. I was there in '16 for game 7 aka the Kari special, and that isn't far behind. Their fans are assholes who act like they invented fandom. The media treats them like they're from the original 6, and like they have 8 cups. I'm so *Dang ol'* over St. Louis and their teams.

The dude that laid me off last year - yep - St. Louis guy. Huge sports fan, and loved to needle me about all the *poo poo* above.

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

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The series supervisor was an NHL goaltender for nine seasons:


Another former goaltender didn't even think it was significant enough to give an opinion on whether the referees erred on the play in his post-game comments:

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby ToddM » Sun May 05, 2019 8:09 pm

Such bullshit. If that had happened to Binnington, I'd have wanted a whistle there. Because if we'd won the series on a cheap-ass injury goal...

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby #JTONTFJTGM » Sun May 05, 2019 8:59 pm

ToddM wrote:Such bullshit. If that had happened to Binnington, I'd have wanted a whistle there. Because if we'd won the series on a cheap-ass injury goal...

The Blues were already leading by a goal so no one can say they won the game because of that goal.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby slaps » Sun May 05, 2019 9:54 pm

So really, aiming to injure a goaltender is now a perfectly viable strategy.

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby Troy McClure » Sun May 05, 2019 11:39 pm

slaps wrote:So really, aiming to injure a goaltender is now a perfectly viable strategy.

It was a shot on goal. That's perfectly fine. Shooting high is great to do if you can do it. Most can't. Not that hard.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby slaps » Mon May 06, 2019 7:12 am

Troy McClure wrote:
slaps wrote:So really, aiming to injure a goaltender is now a perfectly viable strategy.

It was a shot on goal. That's perfectly fine. Shooting high is great to do if you can do it. Most can't. Not that hard.


But if a goalie is hurt on a shot and writhing in pain and unable to play, and the decision is to let the play continue, why wouldn't you try it?

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

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slaps wrote:So really, aiming to injure a goaltender is now a perfectly viable strategy.


Remember Jeremy Roenick basically advocated that against Bishop earlier in these playoffs.

(But no - I don't think Parayko was trying to injure Bishop. It was just a rocket of a shot that caught Bishop in a bad spot. And for some of those idiots I've seen in comments to various articles who were saying Bishop was embellishing on that, just F right off.)

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby slaps » Mon May 06, 2019 9:28 am

cdanew wrote:
slaps wrote:So really, aiming to injure a goaltender is now a perfectly viable strategy.


Remember Jeremy Roenick basically advocated that against Bishop earlier in these playoffs.

(But no - I don't think Parayko was trying to injure Bishop. It was just a rocket of a shot that caught Bishop in a bad spot. And for some of those idiots I've seen in comments to various articles who were saying Bishop was embellishing on that, just F right off.)


I don't think that Parayko was trying to hurt Bishop at all. But now that the refs have established that they won't blow a play dead when the goalie is injured, is that now a strategy (even unspoken) for some teams? The goalie is treated differently than everyone else on the ice for checking and almost everything else in the rules - he should be here as well.

And if Bishop was embellishing:


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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby ToddM » Mon May 06, 2019 9:32 am

Why would someone flop over a shot? Are people really that *fargin'* stupid?

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby cdanew » Mon May 06, 2019 9:34 am

ToddM wrote:Are people really that *fargin'* stupid?


This is the internet we are talking about ...

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby mookie1010 » Mon May 06, 2019 10:32 am

slaps wrote:
cdanew wrote:
slaps wrote:So really, aiming to injure a goaltender is now a perfectly viable strategy.


Remember Jeremy Roenick basically advocated that against Bishop earlier in these playoffs.

(But no - I don't think Parayko was trying to injure Bishop. It was just a rocket of a shot that caught Bishop in a bad spot. And for some of those idiots I've seen in comments to various articles who were saying Bishop was embellishing on that, just F right off.)


I don't think that Parayko was trying to hurt Bishop at all. But now that the refs have established that they won't blow a play dead when the goalie is injured, is that now a strategy (even unspoken) for some teams? The goalie is treated differently than everyone else on the ice for checking and almost everything else in the rules - he should be here as well.

And if Bishop was embellishing:


I actually think it will be have the opposite effect. I think this will teach goaltenders to immediately throw off their masks when they think they're injured to make sure they get the whistle. Which is a bad habit to promote if you ask me. But it's the same thing we teach the kids in soccer - the only way to get the whistle is to go to the ground. If a kid takes a shot the head but stands holding her face, no whistle. As soon as she goes to the ground, play is stopped.

In this case though, the fact that Bishop stayed in after being attended supports the refs decision. I actually think the rule should be clarified - let's say the refs had blown the play dead, disallowed the goal and Bishop stayed in after being attended to. Much as I hate them, had that happened, Blues fans would have been justifiably outraged. IMO if they blow the play dead, the player has to come out of the game.

Also, I wonder whether there should be special consideration for an injured goalie vs. other players on the ice.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby slaps » Mon May 06, 2019 10:50 am

There should absolutely be special consideration for an injured goalie. Goalies are treated differently in a number of ways (can't be checked, don't serve their own penalties), and no one else can step in and take over for an injured goalie during play while they go to the bench.

And whether or not Bishop stayed on the bench is irrelevant.

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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby mookie1010 » Mon May 06, 2019 10:56 am

slaps wrote:And whether or not Bishop stayed on the bench is irrelevant.

The word they use in the second part of the rule is "serious injury." I think that a serious injury would mean you can't play for at least some period of time immediately following that injury.
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Re: 5/5 Game 6 vs. STL

Postby slaps » Mon May 06, 2019 11:09 am

mookie1010 wrote:
slaps wrote:And whether or not Bishop stayed on the bench is irrelevant.

The word they use in the second part of the rule is "serious injury." I think that a serious injury would mean you can't play for at least some period of time immediately following that injury.


But the refs have no way of knowing whether it actually is serious in the moment. They have to go by what they know right then and there, and a goalie laying on the ice clutching his shoulder in the fetal position, writhing in pain, and completely ignoring play sure seems like a serious injury.

It also has the potential to be a much more serious injury. What if Parayko tees up another shot along the ice and hits Bishop because he isn't involved in the play?

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