04/29 Game 3 vs St. Louis (7pm) - SNUBBED

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:54 pm

The Frugal Gourmet wrote:Absolutely dominant performance by Blues cycling in Dallas's zone tonight. No ability to handle that by Dallas.


Very annoying to watch this.
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Postby mookie1010 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:55 pm

Blues looked better for all of the 2nd and most of the 3rd. That 4th goal should never have counted though. 100% interference.
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Re: 04/29 Game 3 vs St. Louis (7pm) - SNUBBED

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:56 pm

I was surprised we got to 3. They could rag the puck at will and even generate scoring chances off it.

We will need to figure that out by next game. The puck stays in our zone way too long and way too easily .

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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:04 pm

mookie1010 wrote:Blues looked better for all of the 2nd and most of the 3rd. That 4th goal should never have counted though. 100% interference.


The only thing is that it seems like a defenseman can take down anyone coming in the vicinity of the net and not get a penalty, so it seemed almost fair. I'd prefer if they didn't allow any of it though.

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Postby ToddM » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:08 pm

I thought Lindell dove on that fourth goal, actually. Like, when has diving ever been a part of his game? He sucks at it.

3 of those 4 goals were Kari Specials. Bishop's worst game in, like, 5 or 6 months at least.

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Postby slaps » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:11 pm

mookie1010 wrote:Blues looked better for all of the 2nd and most of the 3rd. That 4th goal should never have counted though. 100% interference.


How was it interference? Bishop was wide open.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:42 pm

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mookie1010 wrote:Blues looked better for all of the 2nd and most of the 3rd. That 4th goal should never have counted though. 100% interference.


How was it interference? Bishop was wide open.


I think he's referring to the play on Lindell and that this should have been a penalty.

After re-watching it, Lindell was barely touched. I think he dove too looking at it again. Either way, Bishop should have stopped it.
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Postby #JTONTFJTGM » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:16 pm

mookie1010 wrote:That 4th goal should never have counted though. 100% interference.

Instead of celebrating his shorthanded goal, Cogliano should've been penalized for tripping Brayden Schenn and the Blues should've had a five-on-three power play for 1:04.

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Postby Knives Out » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:16 am

LOL other than the GWG where he cheated early (as he often does) and didn’t cover *poo poo*, I thought Bishop was good tonight. Welp. At least his stats for games after giving up 3+ goals is sparkling.

My bigger issue is that Radulov scored, Seguin scored, and Benn ... took a penalty in the first? Yeah that’s about it.
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Postby ScubaSteve » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:50 am

Captain Leadership also lost every single faceoff he took in the 3rd period. Why is he even taking faceoffs?
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:39 am

Knives Out wrote:LOL other than the GWG where he cheated early (as he often does) and didn’t cover *poo poo*, I thought Bishop was good tonight. Welp. At least his stats for games after giving up 3+ goals is sparkling.

My bigger issue is that Radulov scored, Seguin scored, and Benn ... took a penalty in the first? Yeah that’s about it.


He was also bad with the Pietrangelo shot. It was a direct shot with no obstruction to his vision.
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Postby B Kat » Tue Apr 30, 2019 7:03 am

Blues were better from puck drop to the final horn. They controlled the puck and the game. Nice that the Stars could hang on and even come back, twice, but by the 3rd period they were ragged after dealing with the Bruisers all night. Definitely going to have to step up their game. Also the ice was shitty, which doesn’t help the Stars’ quick transition game. And while the Blues also had the same ice, I think it helped them because it slowed things down.

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Postby mookie1010 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:21 am

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mookie1010 wrote:Blues looked better for all of the 2nd and most of the 3rd. That 4th goal should never have counted though. 100% interference.


How was it interference? Bishop was wide open.


I think he's referring to the play on Lindell and that this should have been a penalty.

After re-watching it, Lindell was barely touched. I think he dove too looking at it again. Either way, Bishop should have stopped it.

Yes - though I disagree on the diving. Like Frugal, I wish there were just some consistency. Tiny little stick fouls and obvious delay of game calls seem to be the only thing you can count on. The rest is anyone's guess.
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Postby wonko80 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:24 am

I'm also of the opinion that Lindell flopped on the last goal. I'm pretty sure he's more solid on his skates than that and he didn't even try to resist being pushed down or hurry to get up at all. He was hoping the ref would see and make a call, which is weird because that is normally not his game at all. He needs to stop trying to play mind games and just stick with what works.

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Postby mookie1010 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:24 am

#JTONTFJTGM wrote:
mookie1010 wrote:That 4th goal should never have counted though. 100% interference.

Instead of celebrating his shorthanded goal, Cogliano should've been penalized for tripping Brayden Schenn and the Blues should've had a five-on-three power play for 1:04.

Finding another call the refs let go does nothing to negate my original point. It actually reinforces it. All you've shown is that they also got something else wrong at another point in the game.
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Postby B Kat » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:28 am

The refs are also toeing a fine line. They want to let the players play, and don’t want to affect the outcome too much, but the play is fast and chaotic a lot. And they don’t want to not call actual penalties. That said, it did seem like they didn’t call several Blues penalties early in the first period and that they were “letting them play” but then nailed the Stars. Such is hockey.

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Postby B Kat » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:30 am

And really none of those penalties or lack of calls changed the outcome of the game.

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Postby wonko80 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:50 am

Fedun had been *fargin'* awful. Makes you realize that even with 9 defenseman on the roster we still can't find a 6th that is solid.

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Postby cdanew » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:53 am

Kind of makes you question life when we now wish for Oleksiak to be back in the lineup.

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Postby wonko80 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:55 am

Not really. It's like wishing for the least aggressive form of cancer.

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Re: 04/29 Game 3 vs St. Louis (7pm) - SNUBBED

Postby ToddM » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:01 am

Honka would be eating these Blues for breakfast. But he might also turn the puck over once or twice a game, so obviously we need Lovejoy out there, who can't do anything, but on the plus side only turns the puck over five times a game.

Also, I'm pretty suspicious of Lindell's diving. He really never does that, so I'm suspecting it was a coach's decision, to try and draw calls.

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Postby wonko80 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:09 am

Blolz. Honka.

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Postby cdanew » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:12 am

Don't know that the coaches ordered a code red for diving, but at some point the frustration with the refs has to creep in to the players' minds at least a little - maybe leading them to try harder to draw calls. The officiating was pretty poor in this game. Its not the reason the Stars lost, but it was bad. The non-call on the trip of Spezza in the first just set the tone. Seriously, how much more blatant can you get than that. Open ice, he had the puck, both officials were looking right at him. Just ridiculous.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:17 am

You laugh, but Honka's being scratched by a coach who needed a Vezina-caliber goalie just to be mediocre.

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Postby wonko80 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:21 am

I do laugh. At Honka.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:23 am

ToddM wrote:Honka would be eating these Blues for breakfast. But he might also turn the puck over once or twice a game, so obviously we need Lovejoy out there, who can't do anything, but on the plus side only turns the puck over five times a game.

Also, I'm pretty suspicious of Lindell's diving. He really never does that, so I'm suspecting it was a coach's decision, to try and draw calls.

Honka hasn’t eaten any team alive over the past two seasons. He’s been *poo poo*. He’s been so bad that he makes Fedun look like a major offensive upgrade.

Lovejoy and Fedun May suck, but what’s the alternative? Beyruther? Heatherington? Gleason?
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Postby cdanew » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:31 am

ToddM wrote:You laugh, but Honka's being scratched by a coach who needed a Vezina-caliber goalie just to be mediocre.


He was also scratched consistently by: (1) the coach with the 3rd most wins in the NHL, and (2) the coach with the 6th most wins in the NHL, neither of whom managed to make the playoffs in their last seasons.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:34 am

I know advanced stats leave you guys confused and aroused, but Honka's, in obviously a very small sample size, are fantastic. Especially on bringing the puck up the ice and setting up scoring chances. He does have a bad habit of trying to force passes through guys at his own blue line, but would you rather have a turnover from a talented young playet trying to create something, or a Lovejoy/Polak Special, where they simply don't have the physical passing ability or vision to beat a physical forecheck?

And if you're dead-set against Honka, because you honestly think that ice time = ability or something, then yes, Bayreuther and Gleason are also much better options than Lovejoy and (now) Fedun. Or they might suck just as bad... Fedun rarely looked this lost in the regular season, so there's no guaruntee Gleason won't either. But we won't know for about two years, because now that Monty (i.e., Ben Bishop) has won a playoff series, we're stuck with him for the long haul.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:36 am

cdanew wrote:
ToddM wrote:You laugh, but Honka's being scratched by a coach who needed a Vezina-caliber goalie just to be mediocre.


He was also scratched consistently by: (1) the coach with the 3rd most wins in the NHL, and (2) the coach with the 6th most wins in the NHL, neither of whom managed to make the playoffs in their last seasons.

That's like saying the Canadiens are the best team in hockey because they won a bunch of Cups in the 1970s. Hitch is done. Ruff actually did start Honka and give him minutes, and Honka tore *poo poo* up. Monty would rather default to old and slow, because he's just a younger, slimmer version of Hitch without the Cup.

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Re: 04/29 Game 3 vs St. Louis (7pm) - SNUBBED

Postby cdanew » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:40 am

Advanced stats have a place, but even the people who put them together will tell you they don't tell the whole story. Maybe Honka just doesn't do what the coaches are telling him to do. Maybe he doesn't adapt to the various defensive systems three different coaching regimes have put in to place. Maybe he's just a one-trick pony who isn't even that great at the one-trick. :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse: :DeadHorse:

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