Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby wonko80 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:25 pm

I'm not sure I ever thought of Hanzal as a second line center

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Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:33 pm

wonko80 wrote:I'm not sure I ever thought of Hanzal as a second line center


The Hurt Locker of centers.

You know, because he's always hurt.

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby B Kat » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:21 pm

Doesn't seem like much for Stone. I guess he wanted to go to Vegas.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:06 am

At some point, as GMs get smarter, there are going to be fewer and fewer trade deadline deals:

https://theathletic.com/810736/2019/02/ ... he-needle/

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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:51 am

Our pick ups were actually fairly decent. One getting injured is a risk you take.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:13 am

ToddM wrote:At some point, as GMs get smarter, there are going to be fewer and fewer trade deadline deals:

https://theathletic.com/810736/2019/02/ ... he-needle/

I'd love to see someone do the homework needed to follow up on the prices paid for these deadline acquisitions to see what came of the picks and prospects paid for these rentals. It's very easy to do what this writer did to say the teams who added rentals didn't get all that much better, but what if the other side of that coin was that teams ultimately didn't give up all that much?
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby ToddM » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:23 am

Troy McClure wrote:
ToddM wrote:At some point, as GMs get smarter, there are going to be fewer and fewer trade deadline deals:

https://theathletic.com/810736/2019/02/ ... he-needle/

I'd love to see someone do the homework needed to follow up on the prices paid for these deadline acquisitions to see what came of the picks and prospects paid for these rentals. It's very easy to do what this writer did to say the teams who added rentals didn't get all that much better, but what if the other side of that coin was that teams ultimately didn't give up all that much?

He breaks down what the other team did with the 1st, but even then there's a lot of variables to consider. It would be interesting to see how the Sellers turned out. Probably not all that great, considering that sellers are where they are because of bad management, and bad management with more draft picks is not a great recipe for success.

Really, tho, the track record for Cup winners is pretty bare-bones: Kaberle was basically the only major player acquired for a 1st at the deadline that eventually won the Cup, and even he was a third-pairing d-man.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:26 am

If winning the Cup is the only measure of success, then pretty much every path taken at the deadline is a loser.
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Postby B Kat » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:36 am

Troy McClure wrote:If winning the Cup is the only measure of success, then pretty much every path taken at the deadline is a loser.

Yeah, since only one team wins, that's a pretty high measure. And each team is in a different place each season, so it's impossible to have one measure at all. It's just conjecture for the most part, but it's fun. I think at the end of the day, the sellers usually do better. They are usually trading UFAs for picks and prospects. I'm not gonna do any actual work to prove that, but we got Janmark and Dickinson because we sold UFAs.

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Postby slaps » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:36 am

It's not. Simply playing in the playoffs has value, both monetarily to a franchise and to the development of players. Using winning the Cup as the sole measure of success is bad. Even if the Stars never won a Cup between 1999 and now, you can't tell me the franchise wouldn't be parsecs ahead of where it is now if they consistently made the playoffs and had some deep runs.

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Postby BigAl » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:50 am

slaps wrote: Simply playing in the playoffs has value, both monetarily to a franchise and to the development of players.

So I did some quick math. Last year’s 1st round playoff average ticket price was $160. A stadium of 18,000 people generates revenue of $2.88M per game just in ticket sales.
Getting to the playoffs is a pretty good deal.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby ToddM » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:00 pm

Troy McClure wrote:If winning the Cup is the only measure of success, then pretty much every path taken at the deadline is a loser.


It's not the only measure, tho. In the article, the guy takes where the team was before the trade (say, 2nd overall in the conference), and translates that into an Expectation (2nd overall *should* get you to the Conf. Finals, being 6th-8th overall should get you bounced in the first round, etc). Then he takes the actual result, and adds or subtracts from where they should have ended up.

The results are pretty much all over the map. Only two trades resulted in teams doing 3+ rounds better (including Roloson to the Oilers in 2006, even tho they lost), while 4 teams did 3 rounds worse (including the Wild in 2017 after trading for Hanzal).

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby slaps » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:03 pm

The trade deadline acquisition should complement talent already in place and performing well.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:14 pm

slaps wrote:The trade deadline acquisition should complement talent already in place and performing well.


Or really to shore up one area of need.

Take the Sharks. They're one league-average goalie from becoming a legit threat to Tampa for the Cup. (sound familiar?) Yet, with a game-breaker like Bobrovsky on the board, the Sharks went out and got... Nyqvist. For a team already scoring just under 4 goals a game? WTF?
So now they'll ride their team .890 save percentage as far as it will get them. Which will probably be the second round.

The Stars need a 2nd line center who can score. So they went out and got... Lovejoy to shore up their already-awesome PK, and Zuccs, who is not a center. Again, that's piss-poor asset management. And now we don't have a 2nd or a 3rd until 2021, can't trade our 1sts during the time because they're conditionally locked in, and we STILL don't have a 2nd line center. But at least we now have an older, slower, and more expensive replacement for Fedun. That's gotta be worth something, right?

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby wonko80 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:17 pm

For what it's worth, Shapiro has said a few times that he believes the Stars have had a plan to fix the 2nd line center in the offseason. I assume that meant free agency.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:18 pm

The Zuccarello deal was going to work to make Hintz their second line center, which I'd assume you like.
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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby ToddM » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:23 pm

Troy McClure wrote:The Zuccarello deal was going to work to make Hintz their second line center, which I'd assume you like.

Hintz is awesome, but he's not there yet. He's a good pairing with Seguin.

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

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According to multiple league sources, a few teams had expressed interest in Toffoli, including the Dallas Stars and Boston Bruins, and while trade talks rose to a significant state with one particular team, a deal failed to materialize ahead of the deadline.

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:37 pm

ToddM wrote:The Stars need a 2nd line center who can score. So they went out and got... Zuccs, who is not a center.


Honestly, I think the Stars just needed any second liner who could score way more.

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby B Kat » Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:03 pm

Even after the Zuccarello trade the Stars still needed one more scorer, but oh well.

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby Knives Out » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:41 pm

I agree, especially since adding Brassard or Nyqvist was still very doable.
That Hanzal's so hurt right now.

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Re: Trade Deadline Thread - 2019

Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:31 am

I *fargin'* hate Jim Nill. Fire him now.
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