2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

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Postby B Kat » Sat Jan 26, 2019 12:20 pm

That definitely tested Miro's cool cucumber persona. Luckily they gave him a second attempt and he did well. He must have been very embarrassed.

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Postby Troy McClure » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:06 am

Kinda sums up the season.

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Postby ToddM » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:32 am

Waitaminute, did a horse just take a dump in the stands?

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:34 am

Horseshit has always struck me as unenthusiastic. Babies wah wahing on the other hand....
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:36 am

Also. Who does Jamie Benn think he is? Pharrell Williams?
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Postby slaps » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:51 am

I'd be unenthusiastic about being at a Mavericks game as well.

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Postby wonko80 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:52 am

Is Benn wearing a cardigan?

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Postby cdanew » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:59 pm

Not that it means much of anything, but was looking at the Stars page on Capfriendly and something jumped out at me. They have $12,000,000 worth of contracts sitting on injured reserve right now, with $9.65m of that being Methot and Hanzal. Both of those players have a long history of injuries. In addition to his draft issues, its signings like these by Nill which have really hurt the Stars development. What's the saying? "The problem with injury prone players is they tend to get injured."

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Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:04 pm

How have those guys been holding back development though? They've been out of the lineup so much that they haven't really stopping anyone young from getting minutes, and even if they were healthy, it's not like there's anyone in the pipeline who really deserves a roster spot that they're holding back.
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Postby cdanew » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:15 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:How have those guys been holding back development though? They've been out of the lineup so much that they haven't really stopping anyone young from getting minutes, and even if they were healthy, it's not like there's anyone in the pipeline who really deserves a roster spot that they're holding back.


Oh, I agree. Two different issues. I'm just saying over the past two years Nill has wasted about 12% of the Stars cap space and salary dollars on two players who have contributed virtually nothing to the product on the ice. Imagine if the Stars had actually received any production from those two spots and for that financial investment - might have made the playoffs! :lol: :lol:

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Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:18 pm

Ah, yes that's a fair point.
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Postby Troy McClure » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:19 pm

To me, it speaks to Nill realizing his farm system is dog *poo poo* that he felt adding old, broken-down players on expensive contracts would be better than the spares he's drafted.
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Postby mookie1010 » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:22 pm

Sometimes I wish Troy would just stop beating around the bush and tell us what he really thinks.
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Postby cdanew » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:31 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:Ah, yes that's a fair point.


Re-reading my post, I can see how you would have interpreted my use of "development" to mean with respect to young players. Just meant it more generally with respect to the team's success. Guess I should be more precise since I play a lawyer on TV. :D

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Postby slaps » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:50 pm

cdanew wrote:
ScubaSteve wrote:How have those guys been holding back development though? They've been out of the lineup so much that they haven't really stopping anyone young from getting minutes, and even if they were healthy, it's not like there's anyone in the pipeline who really deserves a roster spot that they're holding back.


Oh, I agree. Two different issues. I'm just saying over the past two years Nill has wasted about 12% of the Stars cap space and salary dollars on two players who have contributed virtually nothing to the product on the ice. Imagine if the Stars had actually received any production from those two spots and for that financial investment - might have made the playoffs! :lol: :lol:


I would imagine the contracts are insured, but then he's still jacking up Daddy T-Gag's insurance costs.

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Postby FrozenFailure » Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:57 pm

Which is probably why Johns and Hanzal aren't back on the LTIR too.

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Postby slaps » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:29 pm

Oh good, so they're paying out salary for players that can't play. Even better.

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Postby cdanew » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:48 pm

slaps wrote:Oh good, so they're paying out salary for players that can't play. Even better.


I read an explanation on The Athletic that it doesn't make sense for a team to put a player on LTIR until (a) they definitely know they are gone for the rest of the season, or (b) they have the need for the cap space.

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Postby slaps » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:44 pm

Once they are on LTIR, they are done for the season. I don't know how insurance on their player agreements work, or even if you can insure a guy like Hanzal's contract.

But I figure taking the worst possible view means I'm close to how bad the Stars are screwing it up.

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Postby slaps » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:52 pm

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2019/1/29 ... n-oleksiak

Anyway, we’re talking about Jim Nill. The Nill of 2013 saw a team with gaping holes, and he acquired a bushel of centers (one far more elite than the rest) to fill them while grabbin Sergei Gonchar to steady things a bit behind Daley and Goligoski, with mixed success. The Nill of 2014 created a high-quality second line with Spezza and Hemsky, and Nill then jumped to upgrade his blueline by getting Jason Demers in a steal of a deal. The Nill of 2015 got a scoring winger in Sharp, some veteran stability on the back end in Johnny Oduya, and a defenseman their system needed. A lot of that was opportunity, sure; if Nill had managed to land Erik Karlsson or/and(!) John Tavares this past summer, perhaps his reputation looks a lot different. But the cold, hard fact is that Tavares didn’t see a reason to consider Dallas over a successful rebuild story like Toronto. The cold, hard fact is that the Stars failed to amass enough of a prospect pool to convince Ottawa to trade with them instead of San Jose. For these and other reasons, Jim Nill’s efforts to continue reupholstering the Dallas Stars have largely faltered after February 2016, and as much as I still want to believe there’s a savvy GM lurking in Frisco ready to remind us of why we all felt so lucky to have him in charge half a decade ago, the facts are the facts: the front office moves haven’t often been good for nearly three years now.


I believe that playoff loss to the Blues upended the entire plan. Nill had built this speedy, fast-paced team with a system from Ruff that perfectly suited everything but the goaltending, and they TORE APART the league for a bit. Enough to win the West despite playing .500 hockey for months. But the Blue bounced them around and they completely gave up and shifted course to needing to be BIG and MEATY over skilled and fast, and they've been a mess ever since.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:02 pm

Yeah. Stupid decision too because they entire league continued in the direction that the Stars were going in up until that playoff loss. Very very poor decision.
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Postby ToddM » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:26 pm

Especially since we had Seguin for all of zero games in that series.

Another miss was waiting so long on getting Bishop. Sure, we ended up getting him practically for free eventually anyway, but those two years were wasted in the meantime.

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Postby slaps » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:19 pm

That article draws a lot of comparisons between Nill and Chiarelli, and they are fair to moderately spot on.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:26 pm

Radek Faksa, Esa Lindell, Julius Honka, Jason Dickinson, and Gavin Bayreuther, even. These are players that can get good trades going without leaving unsolvable problems in their wake. Jim Nill held on to Honka in 2015 when the Rangers wanted him for Cam Talbot, and the fallout from that is still being reckoned. What we do know is that the Stars wound up paying Antti Niemi, their Plan B after not getting Talbot four years ago, to beat them on New Year’s Eve just a few weeks ago.

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Postby B Kat » Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:55 pm

I understand Nill's reluctance to trade away young players. He has made some very good trades by taking advantage of teams' cap crunches, acquiring good players without giving up anyone significant. I'm not going to be mad at him for not trading Faksa, Lindell or Dickinson. There also has to be a trade out there. No one trades their good players unless they are in a cap crunch or they are an UFA. The biggest issue in Nill's tenure is drafting, especially the high picks of Val, 2013, Julie 2014 and Gurianov 2015. Additionally, teams don't want to trade their young players not just because of their potential, but even if they are not great they are cheap and often times fast.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Jan 29, 2019 5:04 pm

B Kat wrote:I understand Nill's reluctance to trade away young players. He has made some very good trades by taking advantage of teams' cap crunches, acquiring good players without giving up anyone significant. I'm not going to be mad at him for not trading Faksa, Lindell or Dickinson. There also has to be a trade out there. No one trades their good players unless they are in a cap crunch or they are an UFA. The biggest issue in Nill's tenure is drafting, especially the high picks of Val, 2013, Julie 2014 and Gurianov 2015. Additionally, teams don't want to trade their young players not just because of their potential, but even if they are not great they are cheap and often times fast.


Not to mention the long and hilarious history of GMs giving up on their high draft picks too soon in exchange for magic beans (see: Milbury, Mike).

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Postby slaps » Tue Jan 29, 2019 11:18 pm

I don’t think the article is saying give them away. But Nill seems to wildly overvalue young players until it’s too late. Sorry, but if Ottawa wants Dickinson and a 1st for Duchene, pack his bags.

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Postby B Kat » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:14 am

slaps wrote:I don’t think the article is saying give them away. But Nill seems to wildly overvalue young players until it’s too late. Sorry, but if Ottawa wants Dickinson and a 1st for Duchene, pack his bags.

Not for a UFA rental. Now if he’s gonna resign (and I’m not sure I want that because Duchene is a douche), that’s another story.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:55 pm

So this is about Chiarelli and the Oilers, but about this time next, pretty sure you can just replace "Oilers" with "Stars" and "Chiarelli" with "Nill."

https://sports.yahoo.com/oilers-brass-n ... 44718.html


If Nicholson and Co.’s big idea to shake things up so far is to give Jesse Puljujarvi types more AHL time (until they’re “overripe,” I think was the phrase) then I’d love to see how it works out for them that they’re only onboarding guys when they’re all the way in their primes. It’s different, sure, but that’s because it doesn’t make sense to do that. The Red Wings did it a decade ago when they were routinely one of the best teams in hockey had four surefire or potential Hall of Famers on the roster. But you have to remember they were the Red Wings, routinely one of the best teams in hockey, and had four surefire or potential Hall of Famers on the roster. The Oilers don’t have that luxury.

And they’ll never get there with the same old executives making the same old decisions to hire the same old people who think the same old way.


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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:27 pm

If Nill is serious about keeping Hintz and Gurianov up, then he’s going to have to start making moves pretty soon. They’re already carrying two extra d (Carrick and Honka). That leaves only one extra scratch. With Dickinson back in a couple of days, the final roster spot will be filled when Nichushkin goes back to being the forward scratch.

When Pitlick is back, someone will have to be waived or traded to make room. It could be Carrick, but Nill has always preferred carrying 8 d more than he has 14 forwards.
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