2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

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Sigh ......


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Postby SaintAngerBH » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:16 pm

I'd rather watch the 13-14 Stars. They were exciting and fun even if we all knew they would lose in the 1st round.
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cdanew wrote:Sigh ......



*fargin'* horseshit.
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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:17 pm

Or the second round.

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Postby ScubaSteve » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:20 pm

Remember how we drafted both Oleksiak and Ritchie ahead of Kucherov?
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B Kat wrote:To be fair, Ivan Vishnevskiy did net Kari Lehtonen.

And Julius Honknevskiy will probably net them a 4th round pick.

At this point, we should be so lucky. Not that I like it.

/It was a jokeskiy.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:23 pm

So, the only hits I can see over the last like 20 years are Hesikanen, Klingberg, Benn. Am I missing anyone here?

I guess Niskanen can be considered a hit since it was our development that fucked him over. But, I can't think of any other draft successes since 1997 with Brenden Morrow. Oh, Mike Smith I guess but he didn't stay long. That's really bad.
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Honka could probably do himself some favors if he ditched any attempts of offense and focused on making sound defensive plays. He doesn’t seem very good at assessing risk and his attempts to do too much offensively are getting him into trouble. The reason all the other guys are leapfrogging him in the lineup is that they play within their limits.
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SaintAngerBH wrote:So, the only hits I can see over the last like 20 years are Hesikanen, Klingberg, Benn. Am I missing anyone here?

I guess Niskanen can be considered a hit since it was our development that fucked him over. But, I can't think of any other draft successes since 1997 with Brenden Morrow. Oh, Mike Smith I guess but he didn't stay long. That's really bad.

Loui Eriksson. James Neal.
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Oh yeah. Forgot about them.
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SaintAngerBH wrote:So, the only hits I can see over the last like 20 years are Hesikanen, Klingberg, Benn. Am I missing anyone here?

I guess Niskanen can be considered a hit since it was our development that fucked him over. But, I can't think of any other draft successes since 1997 with Brenden Morrow. Oh, Mike Smith I guess but he didn't stay long. That's really bad.


This is ground that has been well worn, but I just went back to 2009. From 2009 to 2012, the Stars' actually drafted some serviceable/decent NHL players - some of whom just didn't necessarily flourish for the Stars:

2009 - Alex Chiasson (2nd); Reilly Smith (3rd)
2010 - Jack Campbell (1st)(yeah, I know he is just now turning in to something serviceable, but he did get there); Patrik Nemeth (2nd); John Klingberg (5th)
2011 - Jamie Oleksiak (1st); Brett Ritchie (2nd)
2012 - Radek Faksa (1st); Devin Shore (2nd - their 3rd 2nd round pick); Esa Lindell (3rd)
2013 - Absolutely no one (this was Nichushkin's year)
2014 - Absolutely no one (this was Honka's year)
2015 - No one (Guryanov maybe someday, but not yet; Hintz maybe, but not yet)
2016 - No one (Riley Tufte maybe someday, but a long way away)

Nill arrived in April 2013. So the only draft pick of Nill's that has done anything at all, from any round, is the can't miss Heiskanen. That is absolutely amazing. While it isn't unusual that the 2017 or 2018 drafts haven't contributed much to the NHL club just yet, having 1, count 'em 1, draft pick contribute anything over six drafts is just stunning.

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Troy McClure wrote:
B Kat wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:
B Kat wrote:To be fair, Ivan Vishnevskiy did net Kari Lehtonen.

And Julius Honknevskiy will probably net them a 4th round pick.

At this point, we should be so lucky. Not that I like it.

/It was a jokeskiy.

I really only replied to make the Honknevskiy joke.

In all seriousnevskiy, if we could net a 4th rounder, we really would be fortunate. /hangs head.

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SaintAngerBH wrote:So, the only hits I can see over the last like 20 years are Hesikanen, Klingberg, Benn. Am I missing anyone here?

I guess Niskanen can be considered a hit since it was our development that fucked him over. But, I can't think of any other draft successes since 1997 with Brenden Morrow. Oh, Mike Smith I guess but he didn't stay long. That's really bad.


Esa Lindell. He's actually quite good.

Here's what I can't figure out - it seems like they have this weird split in decision makers in the first round or two and then in later rounds. Like Nill and certain people who value size, "character," and "grit" get to decide who they take in the first round or two, and then after that, they let the scouts pick. That's probably overly simplistic, but they seem good at picking out actual hockey talent in the later rounds, and terrible in the first.

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Postby B Kat » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:06 pm

I think Nill brought most if not all of his Detroit scouts with him. They weren’t used to picking in the first round.

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BigAl wrote:Honka could probably do himself some favors if he ditched any attempts of offense and focused on making sound defensive plays. He doesn’t seem very good at assessing risk and his attempts to do too much offensively are getting him into trouble. The reason all the other guys are leapfrogging him in the lineup is that they play within their limits.


I think a lot of it is perception. Twice last game Honka was on the ice, pressing forward, when the Devils scored. BOTH times Razor singled out Honka, even if his culpability on the play was marginal. On the first goal, he was rushing up ice on a line change, just as all of our d-men were for the first two periods, and Janmark's lazy pass whiffed and it was off to the races. Even then, Honka got back into position, then he, Bishop, and Polak all lost the puck at the same time. Who gets blamed? Just Honka.
The second goal, Faksa passed it behind Honka. Honka actually stuck a skate out to stop it, but it didn't work. Goal against, Honka gets blamed even tho, holy *poo poo*, what the *f-bomb* is he supposed to do there? The pass was behind him.

If you're convinced a player sucks, then you will always, ALWAYS, find reasons to think he sucks. For example: I think Comeau was a huge mistake, even when we signed him, and his top-6 role is probably the #2 reason we have no depth scoring. So on that first goal, when he had the clear and then laxily half-assed it up the boards, they intercepted and got the goal just as the PK expired, I blamed him. But on replay, it was Faksa trying to skate through three guys and losing the puck that caused the goal, not necessarily anything Comeau did (tho a strong clear would've been nice).

We find what we're looking for, and right now that seems to be Honka. Who otherwise had a pretty nice string of games lately (you may have noticed we're playing a possession-based game with speed lately, even when Heiskanen's not on the ice).

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Postby BigAl » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:23 pm

No, Honka sucks. Both times he should have stayed back because doing what he did was too risky. It happens over and over with him.
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Postby ScubaSteve » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:27 pm

BigAl wrote:No, Honka sucks. Both times he should have stayed back because doing what he did was too risky. It happens over and over with him.


It should also be noted that both of those plays were on like his only two shifts of the 3rd period. He was practically benched.
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Postby B Kat » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:32 pm

Honka has been ok at times just not enough of the time. And no one wants Julie to succeed more than me. He’s had bad luck too, but Al is correct, he would probably do better if his first priority was good defense. And good defense includes quick ups with the puck, which he is decent at. But be more cautious when hauling ass into the O zone, like make sure you have the puck and make sure there is a forward to cover.

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Postby BigAl » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:42 pm

He does look pretty good out there at times and he gets some quality shots on goal. But he needs to pick his spots. When a defenseman fumbles the puck in transition, or while trying to hold the blue line, it’s bad news. The other team can pounce while your guys are flat footed. He’s way more talented than the AHL guys, but his decision making is so much worse.
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Postby Troy McClure » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:14 pm

Honka's main problem is he produces no offense. You can be risky or bad defensively if you're racking up points because of your play, but he doesn't. He's just out there.

Really, more than anything Heiskanen being awesome has killed Honka's opportunities. Most offensive d-men get their numbers by being on the #1 PP unit, but Honka has no shot getting those minutes. Klingberg is obviously much better than Honka, and Heiskanen has shown he's much than Honka.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

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cdanew wrote:
SaintAngerBH wrote:So, the only hits I can see over the last like 20 years are Hesikanen, Klingberg, Benn. Am I missing anyone here?

I guess Niskanen can be considered a hit since it was our development that fucked him over. But, I can't think of any other draft successes since 1997 with Brenden Morrow. Oh, Mike Smith I guess but he didn't stay long. That's really bad.


This is ground that has been well worn, but I just went back to 2009. From 2009 to 2012, the Stars' actually drafted some serviceable/decent NHL players - some of whom just didn't necessarily flourish for the Stars:

2009 - Alex Chiasson (2nd); Reilly Smith (3rd)
2010 - Jack Campbell (1st)(yeah, I know he is just now turning in to something serviceable, but he did get there); Patrik Nemeth (2nd); John Klingberg (5th)
2011 - Jamie Oleksiak (1st); Brett Ritchie (2nd)
2012 - Radek Faksa (1st); Devin Shore (2nd - their 3rd 2nd round pick); Esa Lindell (3rd)
2013 - Absolutely no one (this was Nichushkin's year)
2014 - Absolutely no one (this was Honka's year)
2015 - No one (Guryanov maybe someday, but not yet; Hintz maybe, but not yet)
2016 - No one (Riley Tufte maybe someday, but a long way away)

Nill arrived in April 2013. So the only draft pick of Nill's that has done anything at all, from any round, is the can't miss Heiskanen. That is absolutely amazing. While it isn't unusual that the 2017 or 2018 drafts haven't contributed much to the NHL club just yet, having 1, count 'em 1, draft pick contribute anything over six drafts is just stunning.


So, the inexperienced Nieuwendyk was better at drafting than Nill. This is appalling.
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SaintAngerBH wrote:So, the only hits I can see over the last like 20 years are Hesikanen, Klingberg, Benn. Am I missing anyone here?

I guess Niskanen can be considered a hit since it was our development that fucked him over. But, I can't think of any other draft successes since 1997 with Brenden Morrow. Oh, Mike Smith I guess but he didn't stay long. That's really bad.


Esa Lindell. He's actually quite good.

Here's what I can't figure out - it seems like they have this weird split in decision makers in the first round or two and then in later rounds. Like Nill and certain people who value size, "character," and "grit" get to decide who they take in the first round or two, and then after that, they let the scouts pick. That's probably overly simplistic, but they seem good at picking out actual hockey talent in the later rounds, and terrible in the first.


Yeah, my memory was bad when I typed this lol.
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Postby ToddM » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:58 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:
So, the inexperienced Nieuwendyk was better at drafting than Nill. This is appalling.


I thought Newy did a pretty good job, all things considered. I wouldn't mind seeing him back with an actual real-life owner instead of 400 independent creditors.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:16 pm

So looks like Lites was a genius there with his criticism. 5 games in a row without a loss.

Well done Lites.

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Postby BigAl » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:22 pm

Lites is definitely the team MVP this year.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:27 pm

Seguin with 4 goals in the last two games. I wonder what Lites thinks of that horseshit.
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Postby slaps » Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:32 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:Seguin with 4 goals in the last two games. I wonder what Lites thinks of that horseshit.


Probably at home going “wah wah.”

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Sat Jan 05, 2019 12:21 am

That Hanzal's so hurt right now.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:11 am

So, the question is was it the comments that drove them to be better? Honestly, I don't think so. Maybe they're trying harder sure. But, especially in Seguin's case, the effort wasn't the issue in the first place. It was just bad puck luck. Seguin was going to break out of that slump regardless.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:56 am

They were kinda trending up even before the comments, both were just a hair under a PPG over their last few games.

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