2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

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Postby ScubaSteve » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:52 pm

Tweet his article about how good Val is back to him as a reply.
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Postby wonko80 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:57 pm

But I thought Val was doing all the things (besides scoring) right. Surely the coaching staff knows about his amazing advanced stats, right?

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Postby Troy McClure » Fri Nov 30, 2018 6:07 pm

wonko80 wrote:But I thought Val was doing all the things (besides scoring) right. Surely the coaching staff knows about his amazing advanced stats, right?

I believe the NHL asked the Stars to scratch him because he was advanced stating so well it was breaking all non-goal related metrics.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Fri Nov 30, 2018 7:15 pm

Good (probably paywalled) read from Shapiro on a number of topics:

https://theathletic.com/683743/2018/11/ ... rgs-value/

It's pretty obvious, but the Stars are a better team with Klingberg on the PP than without. Shap's got the advanced stats and heat maps to prove just how much more better they are. It's pretty insane.

Heiskanen > All other rookie d-men, including Dahlin

Khudobin is average in literally every goalie stat. Bishop is elite against high danger scoring chances, and second-worst in the NHL in low-danger scoring chances. Which sounds kindof familiar...

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:14 am

Troy McClure wrote:Sure, but I assume signing him this off-season would have meant not signing Comeau and Nichushkin. Unfortunately, now that those two are here and under contract for next season at least, it means this team doesn't have the cap room to add Kovalev.

Adding him now would mean trading something to the Kings. It would also mean trading other stuff to other teams to encourage them to eat some of these bad contracts.

In the end, you're talking about paying a price equal to winning his free agency bidding process plus giving away trade pieces. That's the kind of move you reserve for acquiring a holdout younger RFA like Nylander.


Plus, Alexei Kovalev sucks
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:18 am

Troy McClure wrote:Bishop is officially starting.

And there is other news I find funny.



Thank god. I'm so *fargin'* tired of the Nichushkin apologists. Send him back to mother Russia.
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Postby Troy McClure » Sat Dec 01, 2018 4:16 pm

Jason wrote:

Makes you wonder if Nill will add a d-man if he’s looking at having to play these AHLers for another month.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:01 pm

I would rather play these AHLers than see the likes of Alzner back there. Yuck.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:20 pm

lol.

Jason Dickinson has more points than Val so far. Also, Gavin Bayreuther and Connor Carrick have the same number of points as Val in 12 fewer games played.

I can't find the stats on goalie assists, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bishop has more points than Val too.

Still not ready to call him a bust????
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Postby ScubaSteve » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:45 pm

BuT hE's A cHeCkInG LiNe PlAyEr NoW
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Postby ToddM » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:06 pm

Nah, dawg, he'll be fine.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:06 pm

I laid this point on the morons on the Reddit page. Check out their butt-hurtness. lol

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Postby slaps » Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:49 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:lol.

Jason Dickinson has more points than Val so far. Also, Gavin Bayreuther and Connor Carrick have the same number of points as Val in 12 fewer games played.

I can't find the stats on goalie assists, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bishop has more points than Val too.

Still not ready to call him a bust????


Dickinson has looked...not bad? Not like a dominant top-line center but at least like a productive NHL player.

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Postby Troy McClure » Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:56 am

This is actually going to happen, isn't it?

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Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:09 pm

2 Schlemko 2 Furious
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Postby ToddM » Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:34 pm

Do we get a used-D discount on him?

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:17 pm

Did a little research.... looking at Benn and Seguin's offensive output over the this season and the prior three.

Benn went from 2nd in league scoring in 15-16 to finishing 22nd, 22nd, and is now on pace for 56th.
Seguin went from 14th in league scoring in 15-16 (despite missing 10 games) to finishing 15th, 24th, and is now on pace for 42nd.

Yet, their point production isn't so out of whack from prior seasons. If you look at season-total point production from 15-16 through this season, you get these totals:
Benn: 89, 69, 79, 70 (proj.)
Seguin: 73*, 72, 78, 79 (proj.) -- * - probably closer to 80 in 15-16 if he didn't miss 10 games

I can come up with two different explanations to account for why they are scoring a the same rate as prior seasons while sliding into the 40s and 50s on the list of total point producers:

1) They have kept producing at their usual levels, but a bunch of new offensive guys have entered the league who score more and have pushed Benn and Seguin down the scoring list.

2) League scoring is on the uptick causing other players to collect more points, yet Benn and Seguin's totals have slid down the leader board because their production has not increased along with the rest of the league.

I'm not sure I like either way of looking at this. Either they've been passed up by better players, or they are failing to benefit from the league-wide scoring increase.
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Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:50 pm

OR: the peak of Benn’s career was the four years ago and he’s Brenden Morrowing, except we paid him.
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Postby ToddM » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:14 pm

I bet it's their lack of production on the PP. That's where most high scorers make a big chunk of their points.

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Postby Troy McClure » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:25 pm

ToddM wrote:I bet it's their lack of production on the PP. That's where most high scorers make a big chunk of their points.

The answer is yes, to a degree.

Benn's PP points by season 30, 26, 22, 18 (proj)
Seguin's PP points by season 24, 29, 25, 21 (proj)
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby B Kat » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:30 pm

With our AHL D, the forwards have to play a little more carefully.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby FrozenFailure » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:52 pm

Well they've let actual NHL offensive defensemen walk, like Goligoski and Demers.

I would say the Stars hunting for a LHD is an absolute truth even though the AHL guys have been playing well. If they go find some stronger defensemen then the forwards can be a little more aggressive with their offensive potential. I mean, I like Polak and Bayreuther and the AHL guys but they need some faster NHL caliber talent in the back.

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Postby ToddM » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:51 pm

Troy McClure wrote:
ToddM wrote:I bet it's their lack of production on the PP. That's where most high scorers make a big chunk of their points.

The answer is yes, to a degree.

Benn's PP points by season 30, 26, 22, 18 (proj)
Seguin's PP points by season 24, 29, 25, 21 (proj)


Clearly we need to get Val back on that line if we ever want to see either break 80+ again.

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Postby B Kat » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:49 am

Demers and Gogo were gonna get too much money for what they brought. And I liked them both, but buh bye.

I’ve been very impressed with Polak. He defends, he’s tough, and while he’s not super fast, he more than keeps up. He’s surprised me several times.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby wonko80 » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:44 am

Troy McClure wrote:This is actually going to happen, isn't it?


From the post game 20/20 from Shapiro:

15. There was a rumor circulating on Twitter this week that the Stars were potentially in the market for a defenseman; possibly Karl Alzner or David Schlemko, who are both under contract with the Montreal Canadiens.

The rumor doesn’t make any sense and after asking around I feel pretty confident saying that the Stars aren’t looking at either Alzner or Schlemko — or any defenseman for that matter.

First of all, the Stars don’t really have the cap space to make a move, especially for someone like Alzner, who will make $3.6 million against the cap through 2022. Schlemko makes $2.1 million against the cap and is already under contract for next season.

The Stars are also happy with their defense after the injuries. It was an area that scared the Stars when players starting joining the walking wounded, but they’ve helped the Stars stay afloat and now Dallas is roughly three to four weeks from getting John Klingberg and Connor Carrick back in the lineup.

As far as the fact the Stars were scouting the Montreal Canadiens this past weekend — the Canadiens were playing the San Jose Sharks. The Stars play the Sharks twice in their next four games; this was a pre-scheduled scouting trip and a pre-scout more than anything else.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:58 am

Schlemko's making $2.1 million?! Holy crap.

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Postby BigAl » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:04 am

It’ll be interesting to see how things shake out when Carrick and Klingberg get back. Fedun and Hanley are decent players. “Invisible” in a good way. If someone gets sent down do you send Honka and risk losing his potential or send one of the others and risk losing their reliability?
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BigAl wrote:It’ll be interesting to see how things shake out when Carrick and Klingberg get back. Fedun and Hanley are decent players. “Invisible” in a good way. If someone gets sent down do you send Honka and risk losing his potential or send one of the others and risk losing their reliability?


I'm sure it will all depend on whether any of the current call ups have to pass through waivers. If Honka were to be sent down, I'm sure someone would claim him and the Stars aren't going to want to lose him for nothing. Fedun, Handley etc. would be less likely to be claimed if they can't just be sent back down. Sadly, it has as much to do with contract and waiver status as it does ability.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Dec 04, 2018 10:33 am

Similarly, when Hanzal returns to the lineup soon, it will mean Hintz gets demoted because Nill really hates having to waive guys to make room for better guys.
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