2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:53 pm

Jim Nill's legacy in an nutshell.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:35 pm

This is been an amazing season. Even as the Stars continue to *poo poo* the bed, all the teams around them *poo poo* the bed even harder. The Wild had a chance to come within a point of us and blew it 5-1. Arizona, just 3 points back, has lost 5 straight. The Avs are coming on strong right now, but their current four game win streak is only their third winning streak since the beginning of December.

It's like all four teams are competing to see who can back into the playoffs the hardest.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby B Kat » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:49 pm

Yeah, none of the teams really deserve to be in the playoffs.

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Postby slaps » Mon Mar 25, 2019 12:21 pm

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2019/3/24 ... e-imminent

This team’s approach under Jim Nill (and Tom Gaglardi, who has had input as well) has been marked, more than anything, by imbalance. First, by acquiring a glut of centers to solve what was seen as their biggest weakness. Some of those players, like Tyler Seguin and Jason Spezza (for three years), were grand successes. Others, like Shawn Horcoff or (almost) Vincent Lecavalier were pretty clear missteps soon after the fact, but Dallas never really paid too dearly for them in isolation.

Goaltending was the next issue, as Kari Lehtonen’s decline came faster and more precipitously than it might have if the Stars had been able to relegate him with a solid backup or even 1B sooner than 2017-18. Unfortunately, a parade of failures (with Antti Niemi’s outstanding first half of the ‘15-16 season a notable exception) led to the eventual solution arriving along with Certain Types of Players like Martin Hanzal and Marc Methot, three years after the Stars’ scoring talent was peaking. Alex Radulov was the expensive defibrillator that year that has kept the Stars’ forward scoring from being complete equine excrement (not my words), but the Stars’ last two years of transactions have been primarily geared toward making their defensive corps bigger, stronger, and more PK-ier. Roman Polák, Marc Methot, Ben Lovejoy and Jamie Oleksiak are not players meant for Transition Hockey anymore than Blake Comeau is meant for goal-scoring. The message is clear: Dallas is willing to eat their lunch at even-strength in order to justify role-players to help the PK. They will not, however, countenance the same strategy to help a scuffling power play. Interesting, that.

Jim Nill has spent most of his time in Dallas playing whack-a-mole with the Stars’ various issues. And when your team’s drafting is as poor as this one’s has been, that means you’re always going to be playing catch-up because far too little help is coming for cheap from within your system. That means playing catch-up in your roster construction, in your coaching tactics, and finally, in the scores of the games themselves.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:11 pm

The last paragraph you quoted is the entire problem. When your highest picks don't develop into high end players, you use trades and free agency to plug holes with older, slower, and more expensive players who are often not ideal fits but are merely the best of available options.
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Postby ToddM » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:44 pm

Troy McClure wrote:The last paragraph you quoted is the entire problem. When your highest picks don't develop into high end players, you use trades and free agency to plug holes with older, slower, and more expensive players who are often not ideal fits but are merely the best of available options.


That in itself is fine: every team except Tampa has holes to fill from missed draft picks.

Nill's problem is the second paragraph. Doubling and tripling down on (perceived) weaknesses. Clearing out two entire drafts' worth of 2nd through 4th rounders for guys like Lovejoy and Oleksiak to fill... what, exactly? The hole left by Methot, a guy who's played like three games in two seasons? And who also cost us a bunch of 2nds?

It's like there's no plan there. Or if there is, there's Oilers-level asset management.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:06 pm

I never really had a problem overpaying for guys like Horcoff and Gonchar. Sure they didn’t pan out, but at the time we were nowhere close to the cap limit and it’s not like there were young kids waiting in the wings that were going to claim those roster spots. They were short term deals, so the only risk was Gaglardi’s cash.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:10 pm

The whole of Nill's tenure is an unmitigated disaster, though. One playoff round victory in 6 years is almost the worst you could be other than never making the playoffs at all which I guess is still technically a step up from the bankruptcy era, sadly.
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Postby ToddM » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:10 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:I never really had a problem overpaying for guys like Horcoff and Gonchar. Sure they didn’t pan out, but at the time we were nowhere close to the cap limit and it’s not like there were young kids waiting in the wings that were going to claim those roster spots. They were short term deals, so the only risk was Gaglardi’s cash.


Gonchar was actually blocking Klingberg, until he got injured and Klingz could get called up.


Speaking of idiotic coaching decisions, here is DBD's breakdown of our PP woes:

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2019/3/25 ... rianov-nhl

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Postby Troy McClure » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:30 pm

ToddM wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:The last paragraph you quoted is the entire problem. When your highest picks don't develop into high end players, you use trades and free agency to plug holes with older, slower, and more expensive players who are often not ideal fits but are merely the best of available options.


That in itself is fine: every team except Tampa has holes to fill from missed draft picks.

Nill's problem is the second paragraph. Doubling and tripling down on (perceived) weaknesses. Clearing out two entire drafts' worth of 2nd through 4th rounders for guys like Lovejoy and Oleksiak to fill... what, exactly? The hole left by Methot, a guy who's played like three games in two seasons? And who also cost us a bunch of 2nds?

It's like there's no plan there. Or if there is, there's Oilers-level asset management.

There was a plan.

The plan was to draft guys like Nichushkin, Honka, and Gurianov with the thought that they'd be in their primes right now tearing up the league. It only looks like there is no plan because Nill's non-lottery first round draft picks are all busts. When your talent acquisition plan turns up duds, you have to throw the plan out the window and go find talent other ways.

Of course I disagree with the reason why the team is where it is. The roster today isn't hurting because Nill traded draft picks in 2019 and 2020 for Lovejoy and Oleksiak. Those picks are long shots compared to first rounders. The roster is hurting now because Nichushkin sucks, Dickinson is pretty spare, Honka sucks, Gurianov can't get out of the AHL, Tufte sucks, etc. Then there were the drafts prior to Nill that were a litany of busts. You can't have all of your first rounders top out at 3rd/4th line grinder level of ability and be competitive without having to greatly overspend on old guys in free agency.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:20 pm

It's also amazing how Janmark dropped off a cliff. I guess the knee injury really screwed him up? He was great before that.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby BigAl » Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:12 pm

Nill built a fantastic team for 2016-17.
I can’t help but wonder how far we would have gone if Sharp, Hemsky, Janmark, and Eakin hadn’t all got injured.
Oduya and Roussel also missed a bunch of games.
I think we could’ve gone deep that year. DEEP.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby cdanew » Mon Mar 25, 2019 6:39 pm

Enjoyed this excerpt from an Athletic article re Winnipeg's possible playoff opponents:

How did the Stars respond to Lites’ horseplay? Was it the season-defining turnaround one would hope for?

Dallas Record pre-“Horse *poo poo*”: 19-16-3
Dallas Record post-“Horse *poo poo*”: 19-15-3

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:21 pm

BigAl wrote:Nill built a fantastic team for 2016-17.
I can’t help but wonder how far we would have gone if Sharp, Hemsky, Janmark, and Eakin hadn’t all got injured.
Oduya and Roussel also missed a bunch of games.
I think we could’ve gone deep that year. DEEP.

Not with that goaltending (as proven the previous and following year.)
That Hanzal's so hurt right now.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:49 am

Is he?
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby B Kat » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:35 am

ScubaSteve wrote:Is he?

He’s got talent, does that translate to stud-dom ? Perhaps. I do think that both he and Hintz have above average talent and if the Stars make the playoffs, that will be great experience for them both.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Tue Mar 26, 2019 7:43 am

This signing is starting to make sense:

“(Comeau) is the best DJ I’ve ever played with,” Ben Lovejoy said. “And I’m not saying that because of my time here. I played with him in Pittsburgh, he’s got a reputation. He’s very good at it. I’m a huge 90s rap guy and he mixes that in enough that I am happy.”

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Postby wonko80 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:16 am

B Kat wrote:
ScubaSteve wrote:Is he?

He’s got talent, does that translate to stud-dom ? Perhaps. I do think that both he and Hintz have above average talent and if the Stars make the playoffs, that will be great experience for them both.

When he described himself as a 200ft player who was not a big scorer, I knew he wasn't going to be a "stud". So it's not surprising he can't actually score.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Tue Mar 26, 2019 9:52 am

wonko80 wrote:
B Kat wrote:
ScubaSteve wrote:Is he?

He’s got talent, does that translate to stud-dom ? Perhaps. I do think that both he and Hintz have above average talent and if the Stars make the playoffs, that will be great experience for them both.

When he described himself as a 200ft player who was not a big scorer, I knew he wasn't going to be a "stud". So it's not surprising he can't actually score.

My guess is he tops out as a Devin Shore type offensive contributor.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby slaps » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:15 am

B Kat wrote:
ScubaSteve wrote:Is he?

He’s got talent, does that translate to stud-dom ? Perhaps. I do think that both he and Hintz have above average talent and if the Stars make the playoffs, that will be great experience for them both.


I think Dickinson can make a great middle-six center. He just needs to score more (like the entire team), but he definitely belongs in the NHL.

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Postby BigAl » Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:28 pm

At his current rate, Dickinson is only 2 or 3 more seasons away from matching Nichushkin’s career goal count of 23.
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Postby slaps » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:10 pm

By then Nichushkin might be up to 25.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:21 pm

He only has 6 more games to accomplish that. Not looking good.
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Postby Knives Out » Tue Mar 26, 2019 6:21 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:Is he?

Are we?
That Hanzal's so hurt right now.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:35 am

You'll never guess who the top 5-man PP unit in the entire NHL is in terms of goals scored per minute.

Here's a clue: one of the big playmakers on that unit has been consistently scratched of late by our amazing coaching staff:


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Postby slaps » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:37 am

Are these the same stats that say Honka is the best defenseman in the NHL and that Gurianov would be better than Barzal if only the mean, mean coaching staff would give him a chance?

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:08 am

No.

Tho Honka's advanced stats in the 6 games he's played since Jan 1st are easily the best on the team. But go ahead and trust Monty over hard data all you want, I'm sure it'll work out just fine.

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Postby BigAl » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:15 am

So are we trying to say now that Spezza has earned the right to play on the top PP unit and unproven rookie Hintz should be demoted?
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Postby ToddM » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:30 am

No, just that scratching Spezza in favor of Ritchie doesn't seem like the most optimal roster decision for a team having trouble scoring goals. Especially in 1-goal losses where the PP went silent.

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