2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:43 pm

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nice misdirection there.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:19 pm

With Cogliano and Benn still out, the Stars called up L'Escargot.
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I'm so shocked........
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Postby wonko80 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:50 am

Blolz. Minnesota was even a seller at the deadline and they still passed us.

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Postby ScubaSteve » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:19 am

Good morning, 9th place Dallas Stars.
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Postby Troy McClure » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:42 pm

Jim Nill was on with Bob and Dan today. He really said nothing special beyond making it clear how he blames injuries for a lot but still thinks this is a good team. When asked about why they aren't scoring, he rambled for 90 seconds about the defense and goaltending before saying Radulov was the only forward he can identify as having a breakout or All Star kind of season.
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Troy McClure wrote:Jim Nill was on with Bob and Dan today. He really said nothing special beyond making it clear how he blames injuries for a lot but still thinks this is a good team. When asked about why they aren't scoring, he rambled for 90 seconds about the defense and goaltending before saying Radulov was the only forward he can identify as having a breakout or All Star kind of season.


He's not entirely wrong about the injuries, but what is not said is that the organizational depth at forward is not strong enough to overcome those injuries (the defense was, obviously, surprisingly able to tread water).

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cdanew wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:Jim Nill was on with Bob and Dan today. He really said nothing special beyond making it clear how he blames injuries for a lot but still thinks this is a good team. When asked about why they aren't scoring, he rambled for 90 seconds about the defense and goaltending before saying Radulov was the only forward he can identify as having a breakout or All Star kind of season.


He's not entirely wrong about the injuries, but what is not said is that the organizational depth at forward is not strong enough to overcome those injuries (the defense was, obviously, surprisingly able to tread water).

But the only injuries at forward have been Hanzal, Radulov (couple of weeks), and Pitlick. The rest of the forward group has been very healthy.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:29 pm

Whatever. IDGAF what Nill thinks. Dude's gone this summer anyway.
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Postby FrozenFailure » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:18 pm

Troy McClure wrote:
cdanew wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:Jim Nill was on with Bob and Dan today. He really said nothing special beyond making it clear how he blames injuries for a lot but still thinks this is a good team. When asked about why they aren't scoring, he rambled for 90 seconds about the defense and goaltending before saying Radulov was the only forward he can identify as having a breakout or All Star kind of season.


He's not entirely wrong about the injuries, but what is not said is that the organizational depth at forward is not strong enough to overcome those injuries (the defense was, obviously, surprisingly able to tread water).

But the only injuries at forward have been Hanzal, Radulov (couple of weeks), and Pitlick. The rest of the forward group has been very healthy.


Klingberg out for two months, Carrick got hurt, Bishop's been in and out of the lineup, I would guess that Benn's nursing some long term injuries, Johns has been MIA, and I'm not even going to say anything about Methot.

The team defense has really been the only thing they've been able to rely upon all year, because all they have are lower offense defense first guys, and they all suck at transition. So the forwards have to cover and then they can't get up ice because they're too busy trying to beat a forecheck.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:11 pm

Is Klingberg having a bad season? His point total seems low because he was injured so long, but I looked it up, and he's .70 ppg for his career and this season he's at .66 ppg. So it's not necessarily his production. I suppose it's more that I feel like I don't notice him as much during games, where as before he felt like a top 5 offensive defeseman in the game and he was electric to watch most games. Maybe just a product of having no one to pass to these days.
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Postby Knives Out » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:56 am

69 points.

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That Hanzal's so hurt right now.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:02 pm

That graph is clearly prior to the remaining 3 games of the season with Zuccarello.

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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby BigAl » Thu Mar 07, 2019 12:34 pm

From Heika’s mailbag.

https://www.nhl.com/stars/news/will-dal ... -305537182

Why have so few of apparently great minor league players made it with the NHL club? -- @RonSchulz2

Heika: It's a big step, and there definitely is a difference between scoring in the AHL and at the NHL level. I think Travis Morin and Curtis McKenzie are our best examples. They have special skills that make them great scorers at the AHL level, but they struggle to do the same things when they get to the NHL. I think you can look at opportunity (they typically don't get the power-play time or top minutes in the NHL) and confidence (they typically won't try the same things in the NHL that they try in the AHL), and all of that makes sense.

My biggest complaint is the organization has not really developed top six scorers the way it used to. Jamie Langenbrunner, Brenden Morrow, Jere Lehtinen, Loui Eriksson, James Neal, Jamie Benn -- they were drafted by the Stars and brought up through the system. They quickly earned a spot in the NHL, but they also were given the opportunity to play in the top six and on the power play quickly after showing they could do the same in the AHL.

Yeah, half of these guys didn’t go through the system. Benn went straight to the NHL. Lehtinen had one IHL game. Morrow had 9 IHL games. It’s not like they were “developed.”
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Postby ToddM » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:31 pm

Benn had two seasons in the WHL, then joined (and dominated) the AHL playoffs. But yeah, it doesn't seem like our AHL team is doing us any favors lately.

Hopefully Robertson just skips over the AHL and joins the big club next season.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:33 pm

That was also like 20 years ago. Maybe we drafted better in the late Minnesota and early Dallas days.
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I’m convinced that the idea of minor league development is almost entirely a myth.
The AHL is where you give foreigners a chance to acclimate to NA style hockey. Very rarely you can also turn a NA late bloomer into a scorer. Mostly, though, it’s a place for polishing turds.
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BigAl wrote:I’m convinced that the idea of minor league development is almost entirely a myth.
The AHL is where you give foreigners a chance to acclimate to NA style hockey. Very rarely you can also turn a NA late bloomer into a scorer. Mostly, though, it’s a place for polishing turds.


That's a bit harsh. The fact is it takes a certain very rare level of talent to be a consistent 30-40 goal scorer. In most cases, it is relatively easy to identify who might have that level of talent. A lot of those guys will never see the AHL, because there is no point. Some of them might spend time in the AHL, and things will pretty quickly sort themselves out.

Is someone without that talent level suddenly going to become a 40 goal NHL scorer because they spent time in the AHL? No. But you can develop consistent 20 goal guys there and teach them how to play the game (at least some teams can).

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Postby cdanew » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:05 pm

Interesting (or not) note for the season. The Stars and Toronto are the only teams to have not gone to the shootout this year.

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Postby BigAl » Thu Mar 07, 2019 6:44 pm

I think the common idea of the “consistent 20 goal scorer” is also a myth.
Over the last 5 seasons there have only been 71 players to score 100 goals (thus giving an average of 20/season). That’s only 2ish players per team.

Stats here: http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggrega ... sort=goals

I would encourage anyone to go over that list and identify which of them benefited from extensive AHL development time. Maybe a very small percentage of them did, which doesn’t give much weight to the idea that teams regularly develop them.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby cdanew » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:07 pm

Fair point - if you change the parameter to 0.25 goals per game (20 goal pace for an 82 game season), the list jumps to 153. You have to take off about 15 players off that list due to very small sample sizes. Just looking at a few guys:

Conor Sheary - spent 88 games over 2 seasons in the AHL
Yanni Gourde - spent large portions of 5 seasons in the AHL
Anthony Mantha - about 2.5 seasons in the AHL
Andreas Athanasiou - 81 games over 2 seasons

But I think I'm coming around to your point.

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BigAl wrote:I’m convinced that the idea of minor league development is almost entirely a myth.
The AHL is where you give foreigners a chance to acclimate to NA style hockey. Very rarely you can also turn a NA late bloomer into a scorer. Mostly, though, it’s a place for polishing turds.

I agree. Really good NHL goal scorers simply don't need much AHL time. You can go click through the backgrounds of any of the guys who are quality goal scorers, and you won't find players who spend multiple season in the AHL. Very often, they either jump right from Juniors or Europe to the NHL, but some do go spend half a season or so in the AHL.

What you don't see is some guy who spends two or three seasons in the AHL who then gets to the NHL and becomes a 30 goal scorer.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby 5minmajor » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:13 pm

cdanew wrote:Interesting (or not) note for the season. The Stars and Toronto are the only teams to have not gone to the shootout this year.

Thank god. They have not scored on a breakaway all season. A shootout would be embarrassing.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Mar 07, 2019 7:21 pm

Also, shootouts just *fargin'* suck ass. More 3 on 3 please.
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Re: 2018-2019 Stars Regular Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:58 pm



Let's make a list of the guys in that team photo who haven't scored a goal this season:
Johns
Methot
Honka
Nichushkin
Lovejoy
Oleksiak
L'Eternalwait

Seven dudes without a goal. Of course, I don't really know if L'whatever is even in the photo.

And yet Hanzal has. What a crazy season. How the *f-bomb* is this a playoff team?
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