2018 NHL Off-Season Thread

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Postby Knives Out » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:02 am

mookie1010 wrote:He might talk about using kids, and earning ice-time, etc, but in the end, he is inherently and genetically risk averse, which I don't think works in the game today.

The game's changes have never been more obvious than this season,
and I can't wait until the retread old guard of coaches is finally cycled out.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Wed Apr 11, 2018 7:50 am

The game is essentially unrecognizable compared to the way it was in the late 90's/early 2000's. I don't think a lot of those coaches have adapted well. Q would be the exception.
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Postby ToddM » Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:05 am

Knives Out wrote:
mookie1010 wrote:He might talk about using kids, and earning ice-time, etc, but in the end, he is inherently and genetically risk averse, which I don't think works in the game today.

The game's changes have never been more obvious than this season,
and I can't wait until the retread old guard of coaches is finally cycled out.


You know that won't happen for another 20 years, minimum.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:18 am

Today's young innovative coaches are tomorrow's retreads.
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Postby ScubaSteve » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:55 am

I read that as "Today's young innovative coaches are tomorrow's retards."
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Postby slaps » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:23 pm

Either way works.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:28 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:I read that as "Today's young innovative coaches are tomorrow's retards."

According to fans, yes.
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Postby One_Timer » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:05 pm

Coaching aside, if this group had a dynamic 2nd line, they’d be making noise right now.

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Postby One_Timer » Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:32 pm

Dallas won 6 out of 7 games that Spezza scored a goal. He had 8 total (2 against DET one night).

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SaintAngerBH wrote:Hitch got better? Winning the cup early in your career and then not making it past the 2nd round more than a couple of times during the rest of your career does not equate to becoming "better since then."

Yes, he did.

Unfortunately for him the quality of the rosters he had to coach didn't.

With the exception of the fact that his time in Columbus preceded his time in St. Louis, every roster he had to coach since leaving Dallas in 2002 got progressively worse than what he'd had before.

It's truly amazing that Doug Armstrong and Jim Nill still have their jobs.


Tim Cowlishaw wrote:There's an uneasy quiet that consumes the Dallas Stars whenever things go wrong. It's not that way with the Rangers and Mavericks when times are bad (as they currently are), and we all know the sky is falling right through the stadium roof when things go south for the Cowboys.

But the Stars miss the playoffs and someone flips a light switch, and the next thing you know, Ken Hitchcock is announcing his retirement from the game. After 22 years of NHL coaching, a run that began here in late 1995 with an undistinguished Stars team that, under Hitchcock's guidance, would win a Stanley Cup less than four years later, it's over.

Whether or not he goes willingly or was shoved out the door is relevant to the story, for sure, but it doesn't change what appears to be a rough summer ahead for the Stars. And it doesn't answer the questions about where this team is headed as led by owner Tom Gaglardi and general manager Jim Nill.

Gaglardi rescued the club from the bad business end of the Tom Hicks era. But he had to think things would turn around more quickly than this. He hired Nill five years ago, but the GM has brought in two coaches and will now bring in a third, and the Stars have won all of one playoff series in his time.

When does the clock tick for Nill? How is he somehow immune to all of this?

Thursday night, I watched Evander Kane score two enormous goals for San Jose in a Game 1 upset in Anaheim. Kane was a trade deadline acquisition from Buffalo. Nill did nothing at the trade deadline, even though this team had considerable needs. In a hockey market, he would have been torched for his lack of effort. Here, we gave out a collective yawn and prepared for another spring of watching other teams thrive in April and May.

Yes, Hitchcock played a role in this team's crash and burn in March and April. But you step back and look at the bigger picture. Six teams that had a greater improvement in the standings than the Stars, who went from 79 points in Lindy Ruff's final season to 92 this year. The club played the kind of defense it needed to, but the offense went south.

So you remove Hitchcock and you erase the optimism that last summer's haul of goalie Ben Bishop, forward Alexander Radulov and the return of Hitchcock produced. Turning back time didn't go as smoothly as planned, but what now?

Who gets excited about another new coach spouting cliches about culture changes? Is the next coach going to produce a 13-point improvement in the standings? Who can you really believe in this organization, anyway?

Hitchcock got the best out of Tyler Seguin. He got the same from Jamie Benn that we've seen lately (good but somehow less than he once was). And he reduced Jason Spezza into a minor role, but who can say that Spezza has a lot more than that left in the tank, anyway?

Regardless, the Hitch magic that got this city fired up about hockey was not rediscovered. Now we're heading into 20 seasons since the Cup was paraded through the streets of Dallas. It's hard to think there's another one coming soon. And the leadership on and off the ice is as suspect as it has ever been.

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Postby B Kat » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:24 am

The point that Nill has to be on the hot seat, taken. But Cowlishaw babbles a bunch of nothing and then contradicts himself.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:37 am

So, Hitch's failure to use the proper players in the proper situations and find ways to get the right matchups on the road is all on the GM and the players, then....

Got it.
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Postby ToddM » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:32 am

B Kat wrote:Cowlishaw babbles a bunch of nothing and then contradicts himself.


Cowlishaw is the Ivan Vishnevskiy of shock journalists.

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Postby ScubaSteve » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:06 am

I still think that good players should be good players and not bad players. That's the key here.
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Postby Troy McClure » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:12 am

SaintAngerBH wrote:So, Hitch's failure to use the proper players in the proper situations and find ways to get the right matchups on the road is all on the GM and the players, then....

Got it.

It all goes hand in hand. A GM failing to provide the players a coach needs to run his system is a nice excuse for a coach. The coach not using the players he has in a way that maximizes their skills is a nice excuse for a GM. There's some mix of the two going on here for sure.

Ultimately, this roster isn't built to do what Hitch wants them to do, and it's far easier to find a coach than it is to change out half the roster. Ownership isn't willing to invest the money and time in re-shaping the roster to suit a coach who isn't a spring chicken and who doesn't inspire anyone these days after coaching the worst collapse in the cap era.

Hitch ended up doing a worse job than I ever expected. I wasn't excited about Hitch being hired, but I was sure the team would end up better than it was under Hitch. It sucks. Pretty much the second wasted season in a row. First, they decided not to buy our either Niemi or Kari. Then they run to add a coach who was a poor fit. Seems like both blunders have Gaglardi's fingerprints all over them.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:31 pm

Yeah, considering Nill apparently wanted Gallant. Gallant was clearly the better choice.
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Postby ToddM » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Well, they WERE better than last season. I guess Ruff maybe was a little tiny bit wrong about Eakin > Seguin as our first-line center.

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Postby Troy McClure » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:51 pm

Better? Sure. Still not good.
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Go hire Vigneault Flames.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Apr 17, 2018 3:46 pm

Gulutzan hasn't had any success at all in the NHL.
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Good, they can have him.

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Music to my ears.

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Postby Knives Out » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:52 am

Hehehe

Montreal Canadiens forward Andrew Shaw underwent knee surgery Wednesday, the team announced, and is expected to be out a minimum of six months.

With a recovery period of six months or more, Shaw will likely miss the start of next season.

Shaw suffered the knee injury, as well as a concussion, on March 13 against the Dallas Stars, the Canadiens announced. They agreed to hold off on the knee surgery until Shaw was fully recovered from the concussion.

The 26-year-old recorded 10 goals and 10 assists in 51 games for the Habs this past season. Shaw has four years remaining on his contract which will pay him $3.9 million per season.


Shaw also cost them two 2nd round picks, one of which was DeBrincat ...
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:24 am

Shaw gets 3.9 million per year? What is this? 1999?
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Postby slaps » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:05 am

He scored some timely goals during the playoffs one year for the Hawks and got ridiculously overpaid for it.

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