2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby slaps » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:06 pm

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Jason wrote:It means they'd extend him later on. It wouldn't be an requirement in the trade before it happened. Like what Nill did with Spezza.


I understand the theory, but my point is you can't be giving someone like Heiskanen for what could very well be a one-year rental of EK. If, and my personal view is that it would be a HUGE if, you agreed to give up Heiskanen, it would be the height of stupidity to not have EK locked up.


Under no circumstance should Nill part with Heiskanen without a guaranteed extension in place.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:01 pm

Has anyone heard any news on Tavares? Did we get him?

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Jason » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:13 pm

slaps wrote:
cdanew wrote:
Jason wrote:It means they'd extend him later on. It wouldn't be an requirement in the trade before it happened. Like what Nill did with Spezza.


I understand the theory, but my point is you can't be giving someone like Heiskanen for what could very well be a one-year rental of EK. If, and my personal view is that it would be a HUGE if, you agreed to give up Heiskanen, it would be the height of stupidity to not have EK locked up.


Under no circumstance should Nill part with Heiskanen without a guaranteed extension in place.


I wouldn't trade Heiskanen for a signed long-term Karlsson. You factor in age, huge salary. Heiskanen, is the type of prospect you never trade.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:16 pm

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? This does not jive with all the Tampa talk.

I'm SO CONFUSED NOW!!! lol
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Jason » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:23 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:? This does not jive with all the Tampa talk.

I'm SO CONFUSED NOW!!! lol


Tampa improved it's offer today, but they need to move salary.So the talks between Ottawa and the Stars have pretty much stopped for now. If Tampa can't move salary, then they won't be able to get Karlsson. Then the focus will go back to the Stars and Ottawa. Hopefully no team helps out Tampa.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:27 pm

Jason wrote:
SaintAngerBH wrote:? This does not jive with all the Tampa talk.

I'm SO CONFUSED NOW!!! lol


Tampa improved it's offer today, but they need to move salary.So the talks between Ottawa and the Stars have pretty much stopped for now. If Tampa can't move salary, then they won't be able to get Karlsson. Then the focus will go back to the Stars and Ottawa. Hopefully no team helps out Tampa.


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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby One_Timer » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:34 pm

This is all going to play out soon. I’m watching a documentary on NHLN about the 1996 World Cup called ‘Orchestrating an Upset’ and it’s pure TV gold.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby slaps » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:14 pm

Gee, I think I’ve heard this one before.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Jason » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:22 pm

Well this sounds done, but who knows.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:28 pm

That blows. Screw whoever helped them out. Hope they lose every game next year.
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

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Hopefully it falls apart.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:04 pm

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:20 pm

So uh ... if Tampa obviously can’t afford to take Ryan (they technically can’t even afford to extend Karlsson), but can facilitate a trade to free the Sens of Ryan’s contract, but most importantly a ton of their own, by salary dumping with a third desperate loser team, while at the same time diminishing the hit of their return to the Sens, THEN WHY THE *f-bomb* CAN’T WE DO THE SAME?!

Especially when I hear Heika say bullshit like this:
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:23 pm

This this and only this:

Knives Out wrote:I'm okay with Nill walking away if it means keeping Heiskanen, BUT ONLY if we actually address our secondary scoring need with a Panarin/Skinner/Pacioretty type of trade before the season starts. That is the only scenario where being blue ball teased Erik Karlsson is okay.
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:53 pm

Also, does EK really want to be in the same state as Hoffman again? LOL
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:55 pm

Two quick thoughts:

1) We don't have many clues about what all Tampa is offering. It may be significantly better than Nill's best offer.

2) Maybe the other problem is Ottawa views anything without Heiskanen as a pretty crappy offer.
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:17 pm

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:20 pm

Apparently I hate waiting more than I like improving my team LOL, so just announce an actual factual *Dang ol'* trade already.

The info being leaked the past few days has been unprofessionally retarded too. I can’t remember a trade happening with this much bullshit public insider details / chatter and speculation leading up to it. It’s all from the Sens side of things too ...

All three rumoured teams have now each taken a turn being the frontrunner (Vegas back at the TDL and now us and Tampa this week) only to have the "imminent deal" fall through at the last second.

Can the real Slim Spartacus finally stand up now?

“How is it that when the Stars were talking to Ottawa somehow everybody knew each player being discussed but now a deal is supposedly “done” with Tampa and we have no idea who is involved?”
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Fri Jul 06, 2018 2:21 am






Welp. This take actually makes a lot of sense. The most sense really:

a woke twitter user wrote:It doesn’t add up how packages are getting leaked for certain teams and one team is just so quietly playing poker of the three. Here’s a theory: all of this talk is trying to smoke out one team, and I think that team is Vegas. They are the only team that can take on Karlsson & Ryan. I think all of this nonsense with Dallas and Tampa is Dorion trying to get McPhee to budge more-so than he did at the deadline ... It just seems like three teams are getting played, two in public in a BIG way, while one has been in on the ground floor since this all started way back at the trade deadline. Just wondering aloud why Vegas isn’t getting played in the same manor that Dallas and Tampa are ...


*f-bomb* PIERRE DORION.
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby wonko80 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:05 am

Stars had three players file for arbitration:

Gemel Smith
Devin Shore
Mattias Janmark

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:45 am

wonko80 wrote:Stars had three players file for arbitration:

Gemel Smith
Devin Shore
Mattias Janmark


Can the arbitrator award an amount that is LESS than their qualifying offers? Asking for some friends.
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:11 am

Really, I'd be totally fine with Karlsson in Vegas. I'd much rather have Panarin or even Duchesne, because unlike EK those guys actually address a real and tangible need that we have.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:14 am

Also, I'm not a big expert on the Sens but isn't this like the millionth time they've traded their best player? Yashin, Heatley, Spezza, now EK. Seems like a pattern.

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:16 am

The mental gymnastics are great in Todd.
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:37 am

ToddM wrote:Really, I'd be totally fine with Karlsson in Vegas. I'd much rather have Panarin or even Duchesne, because unlike EK those guys actually address a real and tangible need that we have.

Offense is a need. Exiting the zone is a need. Puck possession is a need. Adding skill to the PP is a need to get Shore off the damn point on the first PP unit.

Karlsson fills all of those needs.
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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:43 am

ScubaSteve wrote:
wonko80 wrote:Stars had three players file for arbitration:

Gemel Smith
Devin Shore
Mattias Janmark


Can the arbitrator award an amount that is LESS than their qualifying offers? Asking for some friends.

Shore has an interesting case. His qualifying offer was $1.018 million. Nichushkin just got almost $3 million from the Stars, yet Shore's production was the same as Nichushkin's as a rookie and over their careers.

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