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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:35 am
by ScubaSteve
Also, Detroit was loaded that year.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:44 am
by #JTONTFJTGM
ToddM wrote:That Wings series was frustrating, because the first two rounds they played an aggressive style that they hadn't really played all season, and scored a pair of lopsided upsets against the West's top teams. Then against Detroit, they went back to Tippett-style "protect a no-goal lead" B.S., and went down 3-0, before they got their swagger back for 4 and 5.

They played very well in Game 3 and could've won it had Turco not *poo poo* the bed that night.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:00 pm
by Troy McClure
ToddM wrote:*f-bomb* the DMN. The DMN can go skullfuck its dad with its grandmother's giant throbbing *hot beef member*.

Under Start Date, you put, "I've never stopped *fargin'* your mother." Does that mean you don't need to give two weeks notice?

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:31 pm
by SaintAngerBH
ToddM wrote:That Wings series was frustrating, because the first two rounds they played an aggressive style that they hadn't really played all season, and scored a pair of lopsided upsets against the West's top teams. Then against Detroit, they went back to Tippett-style "protect a no-goal lead" B.S., and went down 3-0, before they got their swagger back for 4 and 5.

*f-bomb* the DMN. The DMN can go skullfuck its dad with its grandmother's giant throbbing *hot beef member*.


I think it was psychological. The Stars "knew" the Wings were better than them and they played like it.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:42 pm
by Troy McClure
Apparently the Stars have lead the league in icings three seasons straight.

It would be cool if these numbers were put in buckets. How many were missed passes vs panic dumps? Where did they start: deep in the zone vs closer to the blue line?

It would be fun to be able to look at these answers and find some easy explanation like "the biggest cause is defenders who suck at passing."

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:44 pm
by slaps
This previous season, I don't think the defenders sucked at passing so much as Hitch's system forced them to the board and out as opposed to passes up the middle in order to maintain possession.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 12:46 pm
by ScubaSteve
Troy McClure wrote:Apparently the Stars have lead the league in icings three seasons straight.

It would be cool if these numbers were put in buckets. How many were missed passes vs panic dumps? Where did they start: deep in the zone vs closer to the blue line?

It would be fun to be able to look at these answers and find some easy explanation like "the biggest cause is defenders who suck at passing."


Yeah, definitely an interesting stat, but not sure what that's indicative of. Three years ago, you could argue it's because they were always in the league and trying to score an empty netter from their end of the ice. The last two years, not so much.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:03 pm
by wonko80
Troy McClure wrote:Apparently the Stars have lead the league in icings three seasons straight.

It would be cool if these numbers were put in buckets. How many were missed passes vs panic dumps? Where did they start: deep in the zone vs closer to the blue line?

It would be fun to be able to look at these answers and find some easy explanation like "the biggest cause is defenders who suck at passing."

About 65% were this guy:

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Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 1:03 pm
by Troy McClure
And you could also look at past seasons where they were playing an aggressive breakout game trying to feed guys breakaway passes.

It’s one of those numbers that doesn’t look like something you want to lead the league in, but we need more info to know the problem.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:39 pm
by wonko80
I think if you lead the league in it but are still a good team offensively, then it is probably more tied to the missed passes thing. If you lead the league but suck at, it's probably because you just thrower a prayer out of your zone. And if you lead the league but suck at defense, it probably means you're just trying to kill off the pressure in your zone.

So by itself it isn't probably a bad stat to lead the league in, but it seems the circumstances that you do and still be considered a good team are low.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:57 am
by Jason

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 8:30 am
by SaintAngerBH
Great. That's a guaranteed 5 extra goals next year!

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 11:25 am
by #JTONTFJTGM
SaintAngerBH wrote:Great. That's a guaranteed 5 extra goals next year!

Not if the player he replaces is someone who'd score more.

Remi Elie and Gemel Smith each scored six last season, Brett Ritchie scored seven and Jason Spezza scored eight.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 12:01 pm
by SaintAngerBH
#JTONTFJTGM wrote:
SaintAngerBH wrote:Great. That's a guaranteed 5 extra goals next year!

Not if the player he replaces is someone who'd score more.

Remi Elie and Gemel Smith each scored six last season, Brett Ritchie scored seven and Jason Spezza scored eight.


That's a great point. It's a gamble. I guess he could surprise us and suddenly pot 20 goals. But, I doubt it.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:29 pm
by Jason
SaintAngerBH wrote:
#JTONTFJTGM wrote:
SaintAngerBH wrote:Great. That's a guaranteed 5 extra goals next year!

Not if the player he replaces is someone who'd score more.

Remi Elie and Gemel Smith each scored six last season, Brett Ritchie scored seven and Jason Spezza scored eight.


That's a great point. It's a gamble. I guess he could surprise us and suddenly pot 20 goals. But, I doubt it.

If he had Gurianov's shot, then he would score 30+ a season. Assuming he could stay healthy.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:31 pm
by ScubaSteve
It’s more likely that Val replaces Roussel, so the offensive production will remain flat.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:43 pm
by Troy McClure
I've seen people start to hint that the Stars need to trade Seguin if they can't get him to sign an extension this summer. That talk makes my blood boil. I get it some people are terrified of ever losing players as free agents, but what I hate even more is the idea of totally giving up on next season by trading Seguin all for the benefit of getting a handful of draft picks of middling value. When it comes to value, having one season of Seguin is worth more to this franchise than anything they will get in a trade offer for him.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 1:51 pm
by ScubaSteve
Yeah, the people who want to trade Seguin are the same people who think Kari is elite and will throw a *poo poo* fit about Roussel not being re-signed.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:38 pm
by SaintAngerBH
Seguin might stay with the Stars if they can finally get their *poo poo* together.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 2:53 pm
by ToddM
Fans love trades, even if they make no sense. Winnipeg fans basically spent Scheifle's first four seasons screaming about how he was a bust and needed to be traded for a cold bag of pucks. I doubt Nill would ever trade Seguin, tho. That's his Golden Boy! No matter what else happens, he always has the Seguin trade to hang his GM hat on ... even if, in retrospect, getting one over on Charielli actually turns out to be really really easy.

Which, come to think of it... maybe we should start some anonymous rumors about how Connor McDavid is "too soft" and "not a team player" or "actually a black guy." Chiarelli may not be able to resist the urge...

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:10 pm
by Jason

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 4:38 pm
by Jason
Troy McClure wrote:Apparently the Stars have lead the league in icings three seasons straight.

It would be cool if these numbers were put in buckets. How many were missed passes vs panic dumps? Where did they start: deep in the zone vs closer to the blue line?

It would be fun to be able to look at these answers and find some easy explanation like "the biggest cause is defenders who suck at passing."


Not sure how this factors in icings, but zone exits. I'd say possession exits is most important as it means your team has possession of the puck.








Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:17 pm
by wonko80
Do icings count as exits?

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:39 pm
by ToddM
Pitlick with a surprisingly high number of entries.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:54 pm
by slaps
Pitlick was a very good pickup.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 5:56 pm
by Jason
wonko80 wrote:Do icings count as exits?

I'm guessing they do as non possession zone exists same with chipping it off the boards/glass.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:13 pm
by wonko80
That explains Pateryn looking okay.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:18 pm
by Troy McClure
I doubt it. Considering the end result of an icing is the puck back in your end, I doubt they count as exits.

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 6:19 pm
by Troy McClure
Also, did Spezza get talked into dump and chase or did Spezza have to dump it more becasue he was too slow to carry the puck through the neutral zone?

Re: 2018 Stars Off-Season Thread

Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:21 pm
by Knives Out
We'll find out in 5 months.