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Radulov

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:08 pm
by The Lake
This guy sucks. Worse signing since Turgeon. I feel sorry for those who jumped the gun and bought a jersey before he even played a game.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:21 pm
by SaintAngerBH
Wait. Are you being sarcastic?

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:26 pm
by ToddM
Advanced stats-wise, Radulov might be the worst forward on the team (now that Cracknell's gone):

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The far right column is "expected goals/60", which is being hit out of the park for Seguin (who is insane right now) (average for an NHL forward is 0.65, so Tyler's twice as good as the average player). Radulov looks to be scoring about one goal every 9 or so games, at his current pace. Expected Goals takes into account the type of shot, the distance, etc etc. He's just not launching any threatening shots whatsoever.

But he skates around and hits a lot, so... fan favorite!

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:09 pm
by B Kat
I haven't made up my mind about Radulov yet. He plays a physical game, which is great, but he has been a bit off. Maybe it will take him a while to find his place, maybe he needs different line mates.

What were his fancy stats last season?

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:28 pm
by Troy McClure
Further proof advanced stats are bullshit. Three guys on the ice together with the exception of some PK time, and the advanced stats want to say they can measure that much meaningful difference between them? Total lies.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:41 pm
by slaps
I don’t even know what the hell are those “stats” are supposed to be.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:00 pm
by The Frugal Gourmet
I would actually experiment with him on the second to see if he can get tha going. Janmark has had a whole slew of amazing looks and so has Spezza, but neither have produced.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:19 pm
by ToddM
Troy McClure wrote:Further proof advanced stats are bullshit. Three guys on the ice together with the exception of some PK time, and the advanced stats want to say they can measure that much meaningful difference between them? Total lies.


They pretty much mirror the eye test. Radulov skates around a lot and throws his body around, but his line doesn't produce anything because of it. He's been gifted open shots on net and flubbed them. He'll probably get better, but his first five games he's been a Glorified Garbutt: all flurry with no result.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:28 pm
by Troy McClure
Radulov is also leading all forwards on the team in relative Corsi for, so obviously he is the best player since ever. Just gotta find the metric that suits your needs.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:42 pm
by ScubaSteve
Advanced ScubaStats show that Jamie Benn leads the team in coasting and in lazy backhands straight into the goalie's pads on breakaways.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:05 am
by SaintAngerBH
As the great Darryl Reaugh once said, "Statistics are like bikinis. They show a lot, but they don't show everything."

Re: Radulov

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:33 am
by wonko80
Benn has one big hit and the rest of the time he's been floating around. Maybe all the hardwork Radulov is doing is not being finished by his linemates.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:55 am
by ToddM
Troy McClure wrote:Radulov is also leading all forwards on the team in relative Corsi for, so obviously he is the best player since ever. Just gotta find the metric that suits your needs.

Wait, aren't I the Corsi guy, and you the Eyeball Test guy? We need to switch positions. Here:


Radulov is great! His corsi is off the charts, so the process is working, even if the results havent been there (yet).

Re: Radulov

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:57 pm
by Knives Out
SaintAngerBH wrote:As the great Darryl Reaugh once said, "Statistics are like bikinis. They show a lot, but they don't show everything."

:bigleb

Re: Radulov

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:00 pm
by ScubaSteve
We can all agree that Pitlick has been pretty good though, yes?

Re: Radulov

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:03 pm
by Knives Out
Sure.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:52 am
by B Kat
Yes. It might be the only time though.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:24 am
by Troy McClure
ScubaSteve wrote:We can all agree that Pitlick has been pretty good though, yes?

Oilers fans seemed to like him a lot, but they had given up on him because he never could stay healthy. I love how he plays. His forecheck game is top notch.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:55 am
by ToddM
Warning: stats!

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Basically what these graphs show is that since Hitch put Pitlick with Faksa and Roussel, that line has been absofuckinglutely amazing. They allow hardly any shots and no goals, while launching waves of shots on the opposing net.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:13 am
by slaps
Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:52 pm
by Troy McClure
Take shift starts, for example. Those numbers don't tell the whole story about how a guy is used. Some percentage of shifts start with a line change while some additional percentage start with neutral zone faceoffs. Yet no one seems to published what all these various percentages are, but here we are breaking down how a guy is used without factoring in the other ways shifts start.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:53 pm
by SaintAngerBH
slaps wrote:Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.


I mean. I understand there are fans that are really into the stats *poo poo*. But, for me it totally takes away from the enjoyment of the game. I'd rather just watch an entertaining product.

I deal with statistical analyses all day in the lab. Hockey is my escape from it.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:55 pm
by Troy McClure
SaintAngerBH wrote:
slaps wrote:Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.


I mean. I understand there are fans that are really into the stats *poo poo*. But, for me it totally takes away from the enjoyment of the game. I'd rather just watch an entertaining product.

I deal with statistical analyses all day in the lab. Hockey is my escape from it.

If you were to measure how much enjoyment it takes, would you do so in parsecs?

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:04 pm
by SaintAngerBH
Troy McClure wrote:
SaintAngerBH wrote:
slaps wrote:Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.


I mean. I understand there are fans that are really into the stats *poo poo*. But, for me it totally takes away from the enjoyment of the game. I'd rather just watch an entertaining product.

I deal with statistical analyses all day in the lab. Hockey is my escape from it.

If you were to measure how much enjoyment it takes, would you do so in parsecs?


More like give-a-fucks. Every graph posted takes away one more.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:06 pm
by ToddM
Troy McClure wrote:Take shift starts, for example. Those numbers don't tell the whole story about how a guy is used. Some percentage of shifts start with a line change while some additional percentage start with neutral zone faceoffs. Yet no one seems to published what all these various percentages are, but here we are breaking down how a guy is used without factoring in the other ways shifts start.


I'm pretty sure they track all that *poo poo* too, but since most line changes occur in the nuetral zone anyways, they can nix that data because it's meaningless. Zone starts are pretty good indicators of how your coach uses you. Every so often, a player comes along that takes most of their starts in the defensive zone, and drive insane offensive zone possession numbers anyways. Datsyuk was really good at that, as was Brad Richards-era Jamie Benn. But mostly they're just a number that tells you what a coach thinks about so-and-so.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:07 pm
by ToddM
SaintAngerBH wrote:More like give-a-fucks. Every graph posted takes away one more.


I used to feel like that, but now I like them. Especially when they confirm that the players I like are good and the players I don't like are bad.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:35 pm
by SaintAngerBH
Yeah. But they say that Radulov sucks and I like Radulov. :lol:

Re: Radulov

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:46 pm
by ToddM
I want to see the graph that shows how many Baltic drifters Radulov's knifed.

Re: Radulov

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:24 pm
by #JTONTFJTGM

Re: Radulov

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:15 am
by ToddM