2017-2018 Stars Season Thread

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Re: 2017-2018 Stars Season Thread

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#JTONTFJTGM wrote:Only the games and time within games that Kari doesn't play count to me.

So it's a perfect start to the season with a 5-2 goal differential as far as I'm concerned.

Their record is now 5-1 with a 21-15 goal differential, 2.09 goals against average and .928 save percentage.

Among goaltenders that have played in at least five games this season, Ben Bishop has the NHL's fourth-best goals against average and eighth-best save percentage.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:22 pm

For Thursday, Bishop starts. Johns is out with a concussion one game for sure. It also looks like Oleksiak and Pateryn are each going to get to play over the next couple of games.
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Postby Knives Out » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:56 pm

Methot and Lehtonen are both expecting children in the next couple weeks.
One of them can go ahead and just take paternity leave now.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:33 am

Why not just retire and take care of the kiddos, actually.
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Re: 2017-2018 Stars Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:40 am

LOL Honka sent down.
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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:43 am

Means Jonhs is healthy and will take Oleksiak's spot.
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Postby B Kat » Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:54 am

ScubaSteve wrote:LOL Honka sent down.

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Postby ToddM » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:24 pm

Pateryn = Matvichuk 2.0

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Postby B Kat » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:18 pm

ToddM wrote:Pateryn = Matvichuk 2.0

We wish.

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Re: 2017-2018 Stars Season Thread

Postby BigAl » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:28 pm

How do they expect to win any games if Honka is playing down in Austin instead of up here in the press box?
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Postby ScubaSteve » Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:52 pm

Biggus recalled. I guess this means they're officially done with Sparekenzie?
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Postby ToddM » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:55 pm

I don't know if you guys remember the powerplay shot chart from last season, but it basically resembled what an unsupervised four year old on meth might do with watercolors. The result was a PP that was around league average, despite the talent on it.

Well, this is this season's ridick PP, in shot chart form:

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...for what is (for now) the most efficient PP in the last 30 years in the NHL. Everyone's got their spots! It's almost as if discipline is like important or something.

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Postby wonko80 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:47 am

ToddM wrote:Everyone's got their spots! It's almost as if discipline is like important or something.

Now image they're playing 5v5.

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Re: 2017-2018 Stars Season Thread

Postby Jason » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:13 pm

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Essentially the coaching staff looks at both Jamie Oleksiak and Brett Ritchie as high-potential players getting close to a breakthrough. I’m not defending the logic, I’m just trying to explain their point of view.

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Postby ScubaSteve » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:12 pm

Cool. Best to add another scheduled loss to get this thing back to .500. Don't want these guys getting all uppity with confidence.
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Postby Knives Out » Fri Nov 03, 2017 6:42 pm

wonko80 wrote:Now image they're playing 5v5.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:04 pm

We'd be better off with this guy in net.

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Postby Troy McClure » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:46 pm

The new sports writing service The Athletic published an article about Honka. It’s a good read. So far I like the work they’ve done, and the subscription is cheap.

Dellow: NHL coaches aren't stupid — that seventh defenceman likely isn't a star

To translate: the Stars put up a 59.5 percent Corsi% when Honka was on the ice. They got 65.1 percent of the scoring chances and 66.7 percent of the high danger scoring chances. He posits that because Dallas got outscored 4-1 with Honka on the ice, the Stars don't see his real value.
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Julius Honka is just the latest of a certain type of defenceman. A Rob Schremp of the blueline. The flashy guy who puts up points, can't seem to get out of the AHL or off of the third pairing and whose numbers seem to scream that he deserves more than he's getting, if only that stupid crusty old hockey man would just get his head out of 1975. For what it's worth, I do believe that this happens. I don't think it's always the case though.
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There are players out there who coaches overlook or don't like because of stuff that doesn't matter as much as they think. There aren't nearly as many fringe NHL defencemen who are actually top four defencemen in that group as a lot of people think though. If you think you've found one, you'd better take an awfully close look. Odds are, you'll find a reason that the coach doesn't like him other than “The coach is stupid.”


In short, he concludes Honka gets the easiest workload of any Stars d-man and he doesn’t actually personally contribute nearly as much as his rosy Corsi numbers would have you think. His main point is Honka isn’t being scratched because Hitch hates him. Honka is being scratched and sent down because he’s not that great.

It’s an interesting read, especially when it comes to looking closely at some starts and Corsi by going beyond the stats and watching a shirft to see what the player did or didn’t do to earn the stats awarded to him. An example is looking st the shifts that start with Honka going over the boards while the puck is in play and how he’s picked up a lot of Corsi for tallies from those shifts that largely come from the forwards on the ice having the puck while he’s done nothing but participate in a line change.

I guess it somewhat mirrors what I’ve seen from Honka, which is a guy who mostly sucks at defending, can make about one sensational pass a game while otherwise contributing very little to helping the team, and looks fairly decent on the PP. I still favor Honka over Oleksiak merely because I think Honka’s PP help is the tie breaker between two guys who have otherwise been very disappointing.
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Re: 2017-2018 Stars Season Thread

Postby 5minmajor » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:10 pm

I think his small size is the deciding factor between two very ordinary players.
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Re: 2017-2018 Stars Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:05 pm

The eyeball test says that Honka has taken a yuuge step back this season. And as much as I hate to go to the "intangibles" well, it really looks like a confidence thing. In the preseason he completely took over games, danced the blue line on the PP, juked enemy forwards out of their skates in all three zones, and got shots on (and in) net.
Haven't seen that even once this (regular) season.
So we know he can do it, but the smart money's on "Hitch is having him work on other stuff while on the ice." Rather than let him play his game, like Klingberg does.
As for his fake Corsi, I'm sure if you broke it down with any player, you'd see that over and over. Soem guy 3-4 years ago went and re-watched all of Eric Karlsson's assists, and found that he was being given secondary assists even when he was the third (or in one case, he fourth) guy to touch the puck. But overall, whether it was last season, or in the AHL, or in preseason a month ago, Honka's delivered amazing Corsi results and put up goals and assists in bunches. Once Hitch takes the training wheels off, I'm sure we'll see it.
Or maybe we'll just be stuck with Patreyn for the next 60 games because Reasons.

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Troy McClure wrote:Is there any lower hurdle than participation?


You clearly haven't seen all the participation banners at AAC
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Postby wonko80 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:02 pm

Smith on the first line? Season over.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:07 pm

Where is Adam Burish when you need him?
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