2017 NHL Off-Season Thread

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:52 pm

That's stupid. Surely a cup contender needs some veteran depth.
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Postby atticus ross » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:21 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:That's stupid. Surely a cup contender needs some veteran depth.

I'm surprised no one has gone after Jagr. I think we should sign him or at the very least trade back for Eakin.

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Postby Knives Out » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:47 am

Doan has sucked ass for at least 5 years.

Iginla will basically reach Doan levels if he ends up playing this season.

Jagr being unsigned is a bit surprising though.

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Postby Knives Out » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:04 pm

Vanek to the Canucks.
He was good last season, unlike Doan and Iginla.

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Postby B Kat » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:14 pm

Red Wings will be disappointed. They really liked him, but are up against the cap.

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Postby Knives Out » Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:06 am

They got rid of him at the deadline, so not sure if he would have returned anyways as that rarely happens even though it should.

Oh jeez - teams who are right up against the cap generally tend to have a more impressive line-up than what the Red Wings are running with. A lot of bloated contracts on that roster. Most of them really.

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Postby B Kat » Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:42 am

I've read a lot that the Wings would have liked to resign him, and that he liked it here. But yes, the Wings lineup and salaries are awful.

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Postby slaps » Sat Sep 02, 2017 11:26 pm

Bruins having trouble re-signing Pasternak, as he thinks he's worth Draisaitl money. It's kind of fun to realize that Chiarelli is responsible for both the Bruins current crappy contracts AND the one to which the Bruins are going to have to sign Pasternak.

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Elliote Friedman wrote:From now on, a failed offside challenge will result in a two-minute penalty against the club asking for the review.

Incorrect goaltender interference reviews stay the same — the loss of your timeout.

Teams are no longer able to call timeout after icing the puck. The other club can still do so if it wishes, but tired defenders won’t be able to ask for the extra rest.

Previously, under Rule 80.4, a team on the power play that was guilty of playing the puck after a high stick saw the ensuing faceoff come deep into their own zone. Now, the team will gain territory (assuming the infraction is in the offensive end). Instead of going all the way down the ice, the faceoff will be in the neutral zone, close to the defending team’s blue line.

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Postby ScubaSteve » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:01 pm

Interesting. Not sure I like that. So you get scored on, challenge, lose the challenge, and are now on the penalty kill. So instead of trying to fix the problems with the offside challenge system, we're trying to disincentivize teams from making the challenge in the first place.
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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:08 pm

So... is that better? I'm not sure. It didn't seem like that big a deal.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:05 pm

It was annoying when coaches were using the offside challenge hail Mary when scored on later in games. They were needlessly stopping down games trying to get a goal turned over on a technicality.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:17 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:Interesting. Not sure I like that. So you get scored on, challenge, lose the challenge, and are now on the penalty kill. So instead of trying to fix the problems with the offside challenge system, we're trying to disincentivize teams from making the challenge in the first place.


I'm with you. It's stupid.

I like the inability to call timeouts upon icing the puck, though.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:17 pm

Troy McClure wrote:It was annoying when coaches were using the offside challenge hail Mary when scored on later in games. They were needlessly stopping down games trying to get a goal turned over on a technicality.


True. But, if the player is technically offsides, isn't the correct call to be no goal? Why is it bad to get the call right and good to get the call wrong?
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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:29 pm

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Troy McClure wrote:It was annoying when coaches were using the offside challenge hail Mary when scored on later in games. They were needlessly stopping down games trying to get a goal turned over on a technicality.


True. But, if the player is technically offsides, isn't the correct call to be no goal? Why is it bad to get the call right and good to get the call wrong?


Because it is selective enforcement. Offsides can be wrong throughout a game, but the challenge only works to correct it if a goal is scored. If the human eye is just fine for the natural flow of the game, why apply a different standard after goals are scored?
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Postby slaps » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:42 pm

Can we go back to penalties are a full two minutes, regardless if the team on the power play scores? That would be kind of awesome.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:01 pm

slaps wrote:Can we go back to penalties are a full two minutes, regardless if the team on the power play scores? That would be kind of awesome.


I always thought that was more interesting than enforcing icing on PKers.
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Troy McClure wrote:
slaps wrote:Can we go back to penalties are a full two minutes, regardless if the team on the power play scores? That would be kind of awesome.


I always thought that was more interesting than enforcing icing on PKers.


I think it's a great idea. It would reward really good special teams coaching, so we'd be screwed, but otherwise I think it's a good incentive to not take penalties. I think it was the Canadiens that killed it because they were too good at scoring goals.

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Troy McClure wrote:
SaintAngerBH wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:It was annoying when coaches were using the offside challenge hail Mary when scored on later in games. They were needlessly stopping down games trying to get a goal turned over on a technicality.


True. But, if the player is technically offsides, isn't the correct call to be no goal? Why is it bad to get the call right and good to get the call wrong?


Because it is selective enforcement. Offsides can be wrong throughout a game, but the challenge only works to correct it if a goal is scored. If the human eye is just fine for the natural flow of the game, why apply a different standard after goals are scored?


The easy solution is a hard cap on the time between the offside and the goal. Anything more than 5-7 seconds and it doesn't matter if the play was initially offsides, enough time has passed where the benefit to the team that scored is negligible from the offsides.

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Postby mookie1010 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:33 pm

slaps wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:
SaintAngerBH wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:It was annoying when coaches were using the offside challenge hail Mary when scored on later in games. They were needlessly stopping down games trying to get a goal turned over on a technicality.


True. But, if the player is technically offsides, isn't the correct call to be no goal? Why is it bad to get the call right and good to get the call wrong?


Because it is selective enforcement. Offsides can be wrong throughout a game, but the challenge only works to correct it if a goal is scored. If the human eye is just fine for the natural flow of the game, why apply a different standard after goals are scored?


The easy solution is a hard cap on the time between the offside and the goal. Anything more than 5-7 seconds and it doesn't matter if the play was initially offsides, enough time has passed where the benefit to the team that scored is negligible from the offsides.

I think this is a reasonable solution. I don't like what's proposed at all.
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Postby wonko80 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:16 am

I like the idea of the challenge, but yeah it got stupid how it was used. So the hard cap sounds reasonable to me. Which means it will never happen.

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Postby Knives Out » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:53 pm

wonko80 wrote:I like the idea of the challenge, but yeah it got stupid how it was used.

This. The hovering foot ones especially.

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Postby Knives Out » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:54 pm

slaps wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:
slaps wrote:Can we go back to penalties are a full two minutes, regardless if the team on the power play scores? That would be kind of awesome.


I always thought that was more interesting than enforcing icing on PKers.


I think it's a great idea. It would reward really good special teams coaching, so we'd be screwed, but otherwise I think it's a good incentive to not take penalties. I think it was the Canadiens that killed it because they were too good at scoring goals.

You both say that but think about how many *poo poo* calls the refs make. You know how frustrating that would be?
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Postby Knives Out » Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:58 pm

So George Parros of all people is the new head of the NHL's Department of Player Safety.
Really? That dumb useless CTE riddled goon is going to be cracking down on shenanigans? K ...

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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:28 pm

I like it. It's like when criminals work for the NSA.

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Postby Knives Out » Fri Sep 08, 2017 3:02 pm

LOL Michel Therrien is going to scout for the Habs this season.

And Ryan Ellis is out 4 to 6 months. Ouch for the Preds.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:37 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/sports/hockey/nhl-chronic-traumatic-encephalopathy-cte-juliet-macur.html

"The science regarding C.T.E., including on the asserted 'link' to concussions that you reference, remains nascent, particularly with respect to what causes C.T.E. and whether it can be diagnosed by specific clinical symptoms," Bettman wrote.

He added: "The relationship between concussions and the asserted clinical symptoms of C.T.E. remains unknown."


As a biochemist studying Alzheimer's, I have a serious problem with this *poo poo*.
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Postby Troy McClure » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:57 am

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:49 am

Yeah. That's about right. lol
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