2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

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Postby ToddM » Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:04 am

Troy McClure wrote:Does he even want to coach? I don't get the Hitch fascination. He went into this season with retirement on the mind.


Maybe he could coach four four games, get his two wins to tie and pass Al Arbour, and then retire.

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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:15 am

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SaintAngerBH wrote:Hitchcock's style is archaic in this era.

His .650 points percentage during his time in St. Louis with some combination of Alexander Steen (six seasons) or David Backes (five seasons) and Paul Stastny (three seasons) as his top two centers was second only to the Penguins' .655 with Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin as theirs.


Right. But, the Blues were barely more successful than the Stars when you take into account the postseason. They made it to the conference finals last year. But, other than that, it's pretty much been one or two and out.

I'm not particularly impressed with anything he has done since leaving Dallas.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:53 am

What was Hitch's Stanley Cup winning percentage with STL?
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby #JTONTFJTGM » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:17 pm

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SaintAngerBH wrote:Hitchcock's style is archaic in this era.

His .650 points percentage during his time in St. Louis with some combination of Alexander Steen (six seasons) or David Backes (five seasons) and Paul Stastny (three seasons) as his top two centers was second only to the Penguins' .655 with Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin as theirs.

Right. But, the Blues were barely more successful than the Stars when you take into account the postseason. They made it to the conference finals last year. But, other than that, it's pretty much been one or two and out.

I'm not particularly impressed with anything he has done since leaving Dallas.

You're not particularly impressed that he couldn't get to the Stanley Cup Final and win it with the centers he had to coach there.

Take a look at those names again and keep in mind that Steen and Backes weren't even full-time centers, they also played wing.

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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:50 pm

Hitchcock got the Flyers to the conference finals one time and the Blues to the conference finals one time. Make all the excuses you want. The fact is that he hasn't done anything of significance since his Dallas days in the postseason.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby #JTONTFJTGM » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:52 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:Hitchcock got the Flyers to the conference finals one time and the Blues to the conference finals one time. Make all the excuses you want. The fact is that he hasn't done anything of significance since his Dallas days in the postseason.

Who were his top two centers when he coached in Dallas and who were the best he's coached since?

Name the last team to win a Stanley Cup without at least one outstanding center.

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Postby ToddM » Sun Mar 26, 2017 9:23 pm

Hitch also had three and possibly four #1 d-men on the same damn team, and the Blues won absolutely nothing with them. He's done.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:37 pm

ToddM wrote:Hitch also had three and possibly four #1 d-men on the same damn team, and the Blues won absolutely nothing with them. He's done.


Right. And you would think that particular setup would have benefited him even more with that horribly nerve-grating shutdown style of hockey he employs.

He had some talent on those Flyers teams too with Roenick, Leclair, and Recchi all in their early to mid 30s. Didn't really do much then either.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:46 am

Didn't he also have Peter *fargin'* Forsberg in his prime, in Philly?

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Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:09 am

Philly's hospital had him.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby #JTONTFJTGM » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:39 am

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ToddM wrote:Hitch also had three and possibly four #1 d-men on the same damn team, and the Blues won absolutely nothing with them. He's done.

Right. And you would think that particular setup would have benefited him even more with that horribly nerve-grating shutdown style of hockey he employs.

He had some talent on those Flyers teams too with Roenick, Leclair, and Recchi all in their early to mid 30s. Didn't really do much then either.

I asked you earlier to name the last team to win a Stanley Cup without at least one outstanding center.

LeClair and Recchi were wings, not centers, and he had Forsberg for one full season in 2005-'06, which was the first after the lockout.

He had Roenick for two seasons and JR was 34 and in the last of those two seasons when he scored no goals and had three assists in the Flyers' seven-game loss to the Lightning in the 2004 Eastern Conference Final.

The Lightning's top two centers in that series were 24-year-old Brad Richards and 24-year-old Vincent Lecavalier.

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Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:37 am

You're just making excuse after excuse. I'd love for you to be my boss. I'd never get fired.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:40 am

I wonder why Hitch was fired if it was only about the lack of centers....
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:00 pm

Kari is 3-0-1 with a 0.98 GAA in his last for games. Time to start talking contract extension.
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Postby Troy McClure » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:13 pm

He's the No Pressure Vezina winner.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:25 pm

Troy McClure wrote:He's the No Pressure Vezina winner.


Could be a good fit then...if they hire Hitch, the only high-pressure situation this team will have to worry about is the coach's blood.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

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SaintAngerBH wrote:I wonder why Hitch was fired if it was only about the lack of centers....

I've got no problem If you don't want him coaching the Stars again. He may not be the right coach for them at this time assuming he'd even want the job if offered it.

I wrote about the centers because you've stated that his inability to win a Stanley Cup since he left Dallas is proof that his coaching is archaic in this era and that his record is generally unimpressive.

With the exception of the Blue Jackets, he coached both of his other teams to mostly tremendous regular season success and to a Conference Final which his teams lost in seven and six games to teams that were considerably better than his at the center position.

If you believe that having at least one outstanding center is not a crucial aspect of postseason success then name the last team to win a Stanley Cup without one.

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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:55 pm

I never said that a team isn't better off with a great number one center.

But, what the Blues implied by firing Hitch, is that a better coach could do more with the current roster. Also, it shows that regular season success is not something to boast about. See Boudreau. See Ruff. See Tippett.
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Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:59 pm

And part of my beef with Hitch's system is it's extremely poor entertainment value.

Even in the golden 90s, I despised his system because it is boring as *f-bomb*. You no longer need that nerve-grating shutdown nonsense to win a cup. Although teams that win do have great defense, they also are generally fast and entertaining on the offensive front.

I want an entertaining style similar to the Hawks or Pens. Not the worn out trap bullshit of the late 90s.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby ToddM » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:12 pm

Yeah, I'm not on board with the "playing not to lose" coaching style. It's a game! It's entertainment! Take some *fargin'* risks!

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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby 5minmajor » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:23 pm

Nothing is as entertaining as a good playoff run
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:42 pm

That's a fair point. I just don't want Hitch coming in here with his civil war defensive strategy and us bowing out in the first or second round. Yeah..yeah...I know...it's better than not getting to the playoffs. But, I don't want to marginally improve. I want to win a *fargin'* championship again. One without an asterisk by it at that.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:16 pm

I can't believe we just now got mathematically eliminated. This thing feels like it has been over for two months.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:20 pm

I think it was over before the season started considering Nill's decisions last summer.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:47 pm

I just want to say that the thought of Hitchcock or Tippett coming back and trying to implement the "protect the 1-goal lead" turtle strategy with Kari and Niemi as our goalies makes me laugh a lot.

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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby SaintAngerBH » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:48 pm

Yes. We would defend ourselves to 30-0 losses every night.
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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby Knives Out » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:51 pm

I'm flashing back to Tippett's protect the 1-goal deficit days.

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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby Jason » Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:20 pm

SaintAngerBH wrote:I think it was over before the season started considering Nill's decisions last summer.

When Jordie Benn was the extra attacker in the second game of the season, Ruff gave up on the season.

SaintAngerBH wrote:And part of my beef with Hitch's system is it's extremely poor entertainment value.

Even in the golden 90s, I despised his system because it is boring as *f-bomb*. You no longer need that nerve-grating shutdown nonsense to win a cup. Although teams that win do have great defense, they also are generally fast and entertaining on the offensive front.

I want an entertaining style similar to the Hawks or Pens. Not the worn out trap bullshit of the late 90s.


Then copy Tampa's style, that's the way the Stars are going anyway.

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Re: 2016-2017 Stars Season Thread

Postby BigAl » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:19 pm

I think Darryl Sydor would be a good head coach. He and Gaglardi are both co-owners of the Kamloops Blazers so there's already some familiarity there. He was a pretty good puck moving defenseman back in his day, so he'd be a good influence on our young d-corps.
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