Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:24 pm

They look about 12 years old to me.

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Postby mookie1010 » Thu Jan 07, 2021 8:56 pm

I love how that comment is at the top of the page so we can just invent context for it.
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Postby Knives Out » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:34 pm

Frugal finished +12 with one good point.
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby ToddM » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:49 am

Good write-up on Harley, who led the WJC in plus/minus and only gave up one goal all tourney (on the PK, deflected off his stick):

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2021/1/12 ... ors-canada

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:51 am

Meh. Not Miro = bust.
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Postby cdanew » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:22 am

ToddM wrote:Good write-up on Harley, who led the WJC in plus/minus and only gave up one goal all tourney (on the PK, deflected off his stick):

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2021/1/12 ... ors-canada

Yeah - I watched most of Canada's games with the twins. Didn't understand the dumping on Harley from the folks here. Given the way Canada's roster was so stacked at the forward position and the system they were playing (where the defense basically were told to get it to the forwards asap), I thought Harley played really well.

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby wonko80 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:57 am

I didn't watch the WJC, but to me if a player isn't noticeable really, then he's probably not going to make the NHL team at that young of an age.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:37 am

wonko80 wrote:I didn't watch the WJC, but to me if a player isn't noticeable really, then he's probably not going to make the NHL team at that young of an age.

That was my takeaway both games I watched. Harley was just one of the defenders for Team Canada. If I didn't know his name and wasn't focusing on him, I'd have had nothing to say about him. And him getting no PP time hurt his chances of standing out. I don't have any idea what his future holds, but if he looks indistinguishable from any other player out there when playing against teenagers, then I think he's probably not jumping onto the NHL roster this season.
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby Math » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:06 pm

Usually, not noticing a 3rd-pair defenseman means that he's making a good job.

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Postby Troy McClure » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:09 pm

Math wrote:Usually, not noticing a 3rd-pair defenseman means that he's making a good job.

What does it say about a guy who is supposed to be a dynamic puck moving offensive d-man?
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby cdanew » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:42 pm

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Math wrote:Usually, not noticing a 3rd-pair defenseman means that he's making a good job.

What does it say about a guy who is supposed to be a dynamic puck moving offensive d-man?

See my comment about the system Canada ran. It was not designed to highlight the defensemen. (And he was a 2nd pairing D). Can you name any of the first pairing D without looking? Which one really stood out to you just based on the broadcast and tv commentary?

BTW, the first pairing D were (1) selected 4th overall in the 2019 draft when Harley was selected 19th, and (2) selected 6th overall in the 2020 draft.

Is Harley going to be Heiskanen? No. Can he be a better Stephen Johns (hopefully without the head issues)? Absolutely.

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby B Kat » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:43 pm

It means he is listening to his coaches telling him to keep it simple and defend.

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby BigAl » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:45 pm

I think he has lots of potential.
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Postby slaps » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:27 pm

B Kat wrote:It means he is listening to his coaches telling him to keep it simple and defend.

Which is like the opposite of his actual skill set.
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby B Kat » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:32 pm

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B Kat wrote:It means he is listening to his coaches telling him to keep it simple and defend.

Which is like the opposite of his actual skill set.

In order to make it to the NHL, a player needs more than one skill. I saw the kid play. He was bad defensively. And if he was getting burned by kids his age, the NHL will eat him up. I'm heartened that he was plus 14 at the WJT.

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby Math » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:50 pm

Troy McClure wrote:
Math wrote:Usually, not noticing a 3rd-pair defenseman means that he's making a good job.

What does it say about a guy who is supposed to be a dynamic puck moving offensive d-man?

I'd say keeping the Klingberg ratio (fatal mistakes over decisive illuminations) under or equal to 1.

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby Troy McClure » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:29 pm

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Math wrote:Usually, not noticing a 3rd-pair defenseman means that he's making a good job.

What does it say about a guy who is supposed to be a dynamic puck moving offensive d-man?

See my comment about the system Canada ran. It was not designed to highlight the defensemen. (And he was a 2nd pairing D). Can you name any of the first pairing D without looking? Which one really stood out to you just based on the broadcast and tv commentary?

BTW, the first pairing D were (1) selected 4th overall in the 2019 draft when Harley was selected 19th, and (2) selected 6th overall in the 2020 draft.

Is Harley going to be Heiskanen? No. Can he be a better Stephen Johns (hopefully without the head issues)? Absolutely.

That Byram guy was the only other one I could name, but that's also because he was getting PP time where you could see him do some cool things with the puck.

That's mostly what I'm getting at. Harley didn't stand out because his role didn't allow it. He was a second pairing D-man who killed penalties. He might have done that fine, but those aren't the skills he was drafted for. It's a shame we didn't get to see what he could do on a PP.
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby ScubaSteve » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:40 pm

Sorry but I’m out at “not Heiskanen”
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby mookie1010 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:55 pm

slaps wrote:
B Kat wrote:It means he is listening to his coaches telling him to keep it simple and defend.

Which is like the opposite of his actual skill set.

Perfect for us, then.
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

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cdanew wrote:
Troy McClure wrote:
Math wrote:Usually, not noticing a 3rd-pair defenseman means that he's making a good job.

What does it say about a guy who is supposed to be a dynamic puck moving offensive d-man?

See my comment about the system Canada ran. It was not designed to highlight the defensemen. (And he was a 2nd pairing D). Can you name any of the first pairing D without looking? Which one really stood out to you just based on the broadcast and tv commentary?

BTW, the first pairing D were (1) selected 4th overall in the 2019 draft when Harley was selected 19th, and (2) selected 6th overall in the 2020 draft.

Is Harley going to be Heiskanen? No. Can he be a better Stephen Johns (hopefully without the head issues)? Absolutely.

I was just pointing out that he probably won't make the team this year. Those are for sure great skills to have, but if he was drafted for his more offensive prowess and displayed none of it during the tournament then he's not going to leapfrog Fedun or Pysk or whoever.

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby B Kat » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:28 pm

If he can be counted on to not get torched AND he can move the puck, he will leapfrog Fedun, Pysyk or whoever. If he can't be trusted, he won't make the team.

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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby ToddM » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:10 pm

As long as he's 33 or older, Harley should be a lock for the third line.

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Postby Knives Out » Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:42 pm

LOL it is my Canadian opinion that Harley is not NHL ready yet eh.
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:20 pm

What Canadians call opinions we just call ham.

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Postby Knives Out » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:53 pm

And combined we get the 'ol ham hock.
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Re: Texas Stars and Prospects Thread

Postby Knives Out » Thu Jan 21, 2021 11:28 pm

ScubaSteve wrote:I would rather lose 2-0 than win 8-7.

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Postby Knives Out » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:56 pm

Harley sent back down to Cedar Park.
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Never heard of him.

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The Frugal Gourmet wrote:Never heard of him.

Is he the guy who loves to do the funny mohawk turns all the time?
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