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Postby slaps » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:17 am

BigAl wrote:Would the 2 points we got in that win have been more valuable under a different coach?


Yes. I value how they were obtained as well as the end result.
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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:52 am

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BigAl wrote:Would the 2 points we got in that win have been more valuable under a different coach?


Yes. I value how they were obtained as well as the end result.

I care about style because this team doesn't look like a Cup contender. So if the hockey odds make a first round exit the current most likely outcome of the season, why not get there with some games that are more fun to watch?
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Postby ToddM » Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:00 pm

The process is more important than the result. Remember a few years back when the Gulutzan Stars were winning despite playing like utter ass, because Kari was bailing them out every game (ok, maybe more than a few years ago...). Then he stopped being godlike, and they dropped like a *fargin'* rock.

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Re: To Jim Nill (Personal message)

Postby 5minmajor » Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:31 pm

There are no style points that get you into the playoffs.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues."
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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:47 pm

And a boring 82 games followed by an early round playoff exit is no more satisfying than a thrilling 82 games followed by an early round exit.

It's not like a super dull zero offense approach does a better job of guaranteeing a playoff spot.
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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:26 pm

I’m just curious what hockey games you guys are watching. I have yet to see a Stars game that isn’t punctuated by a huge number of scoring chances for both sides.

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Postby slaps » Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:35 pm

Jamie Benn losing an opposing player and getting torched doesn't count.
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Postby The Frugal Gourmet » Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:51 pm

That does count as exciting to me. Mistakes? Exciting,

The Stars average about 26-27 scoring chances per game (and usually give the opposing team a bit fewer). These are breathtaking chances mixed in with speed, hitting, etc.

I suppose it’s all relative, but there’s pretty much nothing in my schedule more exciting than Stars games. Sometimes they’re too exciting. I am usually standing through parts of them. In my tv room.

Sure if I rooted for Coloardo — the most prolific team —I would get to see my team score an additional goal almost every game. But it’s not too bad.

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Re: To Jim Nill (Personal message)

Postby BigAl » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:10 pm

Only breakaways by players aged 23 and younger count as exciting hockey.
Could of.

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Postby slaps » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:14 pm

OK, if they are averaging that many chances, then why the hell are they so bad at scoring? I'm open to suggestions here, but it's got to be a coaching / systems thing.
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Re: To Jim Nill (Personal message)

Postby wonko80 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:19 pm

If some stat says they are getting 26-27 scoring chances per game, that stat sucks.

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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:28 pm

Under Bowness, the Stars are averaging 29.4 shots per game (26th in the league) and 2.67 goals per game (26th).

During Monty’s hot streak, the Stars were averaging 32.5 shots per game (tied for 10th) and 2.91 goals per game (17th).

Looking to 5v5 advanced stats...

Under Bowness, the Stars have 26 scoring chances (16th in the league) and 10.46 high danger chances per 60 minutes (15th). They are converting 14.68% of them overall (8th) and 18.18% of their high danger chances (14th).

During Monty’s hot streak, the Stars had 31.03 scoring chances (1st in the league) and 13.32 high danger chances per 60 minutes (also 1st). Despite leading the league in chance generation over that streak, they were only converting 9.91% of them overall (28th) and only 15.06% of their high danger chances (24th).
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Postby Troy McClure » Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:35 pm

wonko80 wrote:If some stat says they are getting 26-27 scoring chances per game, that stat sucks.

Scoring chances include both shots and blocked shots. Each shot is given a value based on where it is taken from and whether it was a rebound shot or whether it wasn’t blocked. High danger scoring chances are those with the highest value (theoretically the ones guys should score on most often — top teams in the league score on about 20% of high danger chances).

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/glossary.php?teams
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Re: To Jim Nill (Personal message)

Postby B Kat » Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:14 pm

Troy McClure wrote:Under Bowness, the Stars are averaging 29.4 shots per game (26th in the league) and 2.67 goals per game (26th).

During Monty’s hot streak, the Stars were averaging 32.5 shots per game (tied for 10th) and 2.91 goals per game (17th).

Looking to 5v5 advanced stats...

Under Bowness, the Stars have 26 scoring chances (16th in the league) and 10.46 high danger chances per 60 minutes (15th). They are converting 14.68% of them overall (8th) and 18.18% of their high danger chances (14th).

During Monty’s hot streak, the Stars had 31.03 scoring chances (1st in the league) and 13.32 high danger chances per 60 minutes (also 1st). Despite leading the league in chance generation over that streak, they were only converting 9.91% of them overall (28th) and only 15.06% of their high danger chances (24th).

This is Bowness’ 1-7-1. And he is 5-3-1. So really a better start. :)

A little more consistency would be nice, no matter. But that the way hockey go.

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Postby Knives Out » Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:08 pm

B Kat wrote:This is Bowness’ 1-7-1. And he is 5-3-1. So really a better start. :)

This is an interesting way to look at things and it’s been sticking with me LOL. Our miracle baby boy is still playing like dogshit though :(
That Hanzal's so hurt right now.

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Re: To Jim Nill (Personal message)

Postby B Kat » Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:30 am

Statty stats are malleable.

Don’t worry about Miro. He’s just adjusting.

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Postby Knives Out » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:19 pm

But to what though really? LOL

I mean I know you're right, but it's just hard for me not to be in concerned mom mode with him right now.
That Hanzal's so hurt right now.

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Postby Troy McClure » Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:52 pm

He's on year two of being the training wheels for an oversized veteran partner. Asking him to be not just individually good but cover up for others good has to be taxing.

Beyond that, I think he's also such a safe player that he's never going to put up crazy numbers. Some of it may be coaching, but I don't think we should expect him to be a league leader in d man scoring. He has the skillset to do it but not the mentality.
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Re: To Jim Nill (Personal message)

Postby B Kat » Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:47 pm

Knives Out wrote:But to what though really? LOL

I think he's adjusting to the rigors of an NHL season, being the miracle baby and all of the crazy *poo poo* that has gone down in Dallas Stars land - starting 1-7-1, going on a ridiculous tear, then the abrupt departure of his coach to top things off. That's a lot to handle. And while his stamina seems limitless, it's not.

I thought he looked better yesterday :)

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